Loved the post credits too!
Still worried about Will’s statement that he was going to betray Angela …
Also the idea the idea of what happens as a result of people being only concerned about others and not themselves in Europa’s heaven. With Veidt there not much of a heaven was it? With no one to worship not much of one either. Dr. Manhattan didn’t create much of a heaven for his creations did he?
I think Dr. Manhattan’s hellish utopia parallels the dystopic utopia that Veidt has created with the squid. The goal was to bring everyone together and unify them behind a common enemy, but it only increased distrust and division.
Now about the squid. Who is doing the squidfalls if Veidt is on Europa?
Also, when in the timeline were Blake and Dr. Manhattan together?
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Another very good episode. I think Yahya Abdul-Mateen II did an incredible job with a very difficult part, and of course Regina King was fantastic playing off of him.
Can anyone take a crack at these lingering questions for me?
It looks like Veidt went to Europa ten years ago. So if the cakes are one year each, then he’s still three years in the past of the present day as he goes to work with his horseshoe, right? Does that give us time for him to break out of his cell and get rescued by a Trieu spaceship and brought back to Earth so that everyone’s present in the same time/space for the finale? Any faster if he gets frozen into a statue-shaped block of carbonite first for some reason?
Manhattan said that he could potentially put his powers into an organic substance, and thereby pass those powers along to someone else who ingests it. That seems a little hokey to me, but we can run with it. Since he said it, it’s almost certainly going to happen in the show. Which means that the speculation can switch from “who’s secretly Dr. Manhattan” to “who’s going to inherit his powers”.
Here’s the question: Did he say or imply that this was a transfer, or more of making a copy? Could he have already done this, say with Will Reeves, and still have powers himself?
Speculation on other message boards is that either Angela or Topher (their adopted son) might be the recipients of this power, and thus the next Dr. Manhattan. If it’s Angela then that gives a reason for the very quick scene earlier showing the kids’ grandfather – it means that the kids will still have a guardian if she leaves. But of course the same thing holds true with her getting shot and killed.
I hope that Looking Glass was smart enough to sign up for the “stay here and guard the base” K7 team, and not the “go to Angela’s house and zap the big blue guy” team.
Angela and Cal have a pretty nice house, with a swimming pool and everything, on a secret cop’s salary. Not to mention the rent on that bakery, which doesn’t look like it’s going to be turning a profit any time soon. At first I had some notion that Veidt had funneled them some money to get relocated and started, but it doesn’t look like that’s the case. Do you suppose Jon magicked up a couple of duffel bags of gold bars before he went under, just to make life a little easier?
In the post-credits scene I honestly thought that sound effect was the Phillips’ and Crookshanks’ sequentially killing themselves after being rejected by Veidt. Not in a hundred years would I have guessed tomatoes. This show has a real talent for throwing curveballs even here near the end.
In the scene with Doctor Manhattan, we saw him operating a big machine making or moving the squid, so perhaps it continued to operate after he left?
Holy crap that was amazing. It would have almost worked as a short film. I really love this show. Why did I think this was the finale? Was it the finale?
I dont think that Europa is “hellish”. I can understand why a man like Viedt would get bored.
And America isnt a dystopia in this alt-earth either. Less pollution, no threat of nuke war, but yes, in Oklahoma there’s a small race war going on. There is no indication the 7K is outside Tulsa even.
Maybe Cal has a job, and in Tulsa Real estate is cheap. But sure, maybe Jon arranged the house before he forgot.
I had been thinking Topher. You don’t set him up that strong at the start without a payoff in mind. I think.
Was it mentioned why Angela didn’t remember that Cal was Dr. Manhattan?
What makes you think she didn’t remember? I think she’s carried the secret for the whole ten years, and done a very credible job of acting surprised and/or dismissive when the topic of Dr. Manhattan came up in earlier episodes.
It’ll be fun to rewatch the series and see just how many times she must be thinking to herself, “…Is it bad enough now to go knock in Cal’s forehead? No, I’ve got this…”
Cal is the most over-qualified assistant cook that the local Waffle House has ever had.
Well I pity the people who are going to be robbing that Waffle House…
So wow, not only can tachyons detect cloaked ships, they can also fuck up Dr. Manhattan’s powers. Tachyons are some badass shit.
Come on, you know better than to question the affordability of real estate onivies and TV shows. Unless someone on the show calls it out, it’s not an issue.
I believe in the comics they were a couple on the late '70s/early '80s. In 1985, Laurie was with Dan.
She didn’t not remember. She knew all along.
When stood on the swimming pool surface Dr M said it was important for Angela to see him there, ‘for later’. It made me think she will later be needed to realise she (or ?Topher?) can do that too.
Apropos of nothing at all, it makes me smile at the end of every episode (and of His Dark Materials too) to see it is filmed in Wales. As a welshman living in England for the last 20 years, I had no idea Wales had changed so much that it can pass for Tulsa, Saigon and Svalbard.
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Oh, certainly, and it didn’t make much of an impact on me at the time. Just a momentary thought when they first showed the swimming pool, which was obviously there for the walking on water scene. I suppose I just associate swimming pools with wealth, but that might be less true in more southern states where they have more utility. After all, Walter White had a swimming pool too.
On the HBO podcast that goes along with the show they mentioned the interesting fact that in order to meet the schedule before bad weather came in, they needed to film all of the Veidt scenes in Wales first, before anything else was filmed or in some cases even written. So everything that we’ve seen on Europa was fixed in stone before the rest of the show took shape.
Well, part of it is filmed in Wales - probably the Europa scenes. The Tulsa parts are filmed in Decatur, Georgia - where I live (it was really cool to see all the in-town scenes knowing that’s Decatur Square).
I saw this in an explainer video: The large, blue, erm “massager” that the FBI agent pulls out, it’s a Dr. Manhattan replica called Excaliber or “Ex-Cal-Aber”???
It was implied earlier that they could afford the bakery (and ergo the house) because of “Redfordations” (reparations from the riot).