A World Cup of Baseball

The talk of a Baseball World Cup is growing, and Peter Gammons is convinced it’s going to happen within a few years.

So…

  1. Is a Baseball World Cup a good idea?

  2. How would you handle playing it during the MLB season?

  3. Who wins: USA, Dominican Republic, Cuba, or Japan?

For the record, here’s my answers:

  1. Yes. Most assuredly yes.

  2. Play it like the Soccer World Cup, where players leave their teams to join their national team. MLB teams would get the benefit of getting their AAA prospects some ML time as callups to fill the rosters back up, and can save some cash, too.

  3. Toss-up. In other words, I have no clue.

Well, the NHL has really livened up its All-Star game by making it Canada vs. the World. I happen to think a U.S. vs the world All-Star game would be a helluva lot more entertaining than the usual NL vs AL game.

And, for a change, players might actually WANT to play in such a game, instead of faking (convenient) injuries to get out of the All-Star game.

For the record, astorian, I think a US vs. The World All-Star Game would be nice too, but I’m talking about a full-on international baseball tournament, like the World Cup of Soccer.

32 teams, first-round pool play, then the final 16 play a tournament format to determine a true World Champion. Would be huge in North, Central and South America, as well as Asia. Might not be too big in Europe (cricket-and-soccer-playing weirdos) or Africa (is baseball big in Africa?) but I think it would be cool.

I’ve thought for awhile that a World Cup of Baseball where the U.S. pits its stars against the top players of other nations is a great idea. However, I think there would be a problem trying to figure out what time of year it should be played. The best time would be around July but that would mean interrupting the middle of the MLB’s season for 2-3 weeks. Since baseball is now so averse to scheduling double-headers, that would mean the regular season would have to start in the middle of March and the World Series would end just before Thanksgiving.

As for who wins, with our superstars playing, I would favor the U.S. but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dominican Republic, Cuba, and Japan seriously challenged us.

Hmm… I dunno.

MLB is perpetually knee-deep in its own mess, and I don’t think stamping a big hole in the middle of the season- or bringing up replacement players- would be a very good idea. Casual fans would shrug off MLB as soon as they came to that point in the season, and serious fans wouldn’t want to lose two weeks of MLB, or watch a bunch of amateurs (figuratively) screw up their team’s season. I go nuts during the All-Star Break as it is (three days without baseball?!). Purists might get ticked off, too. More playoffs, interleague play, and now a two week hole in the season?

Plus, would the US market really be into it? I think a true World Tournament would be a noble goal to strive for, but I can’t see it replacing the World Series in fan interest or excitement. (Except maybe for Tommy Lasorda. ;))

Technical question- The US Olympic Basketball team was basically the best of the NBA. Why isn’t the US baseball team the best of MLB?

Didn’t really put my own two cents in. Basically, I’d be all for it if it were in, say, November or December. It’d be great to watch, but the MLB I grew up with is what I want, and if the Tournament interfered with it, I’ll pass.

Given that the baseball season is almost all of spring and summer in North America and Asia, I’d suggest a late fall/early winter tournament to be played in the Carribean. Puerto Rico, DR, Venezuela, Panama, Mexico…all of those places could host games. It could also be played in the US in Arizona, Florida, parts of Texas, San Diego, possibly LA, Milwaukee, and Minneapolis, as well as in Canada in Toronto or Montreal. Australia would be able to host games in December, as well, as would Tokyo and numerous other places in Japan.

In other words, for my money, the only time to play a true baseball world cup would be in the late fall (November and December).

As for the format? Well, let’s see. Canada, Mexico, USA, Puerto Rico, DR, Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, Panama, Japan, South Korea, and to a significanly lesser extent Australia would all pretty much have to be there, or at least have a chance to qualify (but qualifiers would be tough to do for those countries, as they all have significant MLB representation, so I’ll just make it UN type format, with them being the permanent security council members).

That’s 12 teams, right there. I’ll assume I forgot 1 true baseball country, which gives us 13 teams with permanent bids. So, to make it 4 pools of 4 teams, we’d need 3 more teams to qualify through some kind of round robin tournament, or something. Let’s face it, France and Italy aren’t going to be pulling big names out of MLB, so their national teams, along with the various UK teams (who, frankly, I think should compete as the UK, and not England, Scotland, Wales, and NI for their own good), European teams, South American teams that I haven’t mentioned, and Asian/African/Australian/Antarctican teams would compete in 3 separate regional qualifiers: Europe, Americas, and the 4As. Out of this, we’d get the following seeds: one regional qualifier in 3 of the 4 pool, with Australia going to the other pool, as the weakest permanent team. The other 12 teams would then be sorted by approximate rank, and put into the pools.

Round robin, but you go around twice in the pools, 6 games in 6 days. Top team advances from each division, and then there’s a best of 5 round, based on reseeded teams (strongest remaining plays weakest) and a best of 7 series. The whole tourney will be done in three weeks, with games played like this:

G G G G G G O
G G G G G O O
G G G G G G G

where G is a game day, O is an off day. The whole tournament could be played in 4 stadiums, no problem, with games starting at 9am, 2pm, and 7pm. Games would be called off after 5 1/2 hours of play, or 9 innings, whichever comes second, so as not to delay other games that day. A tie would be worth 1 point, and a win would be worth 2.
As for the OPs questions:

1)YES. Absolutely. Wonderful idea. As long as there’s no DH.
2) It wouldn’t be during the season. See above.
3)Currently? I see the Dominicans, US, Japan, and Cuba coming out of the pools, but Venezuela or Korea could pull a shocker, too. After that, frankly, it’s anybody’s game. I’d love to see a Cuba/US or Japan/US final, though.
By FAR the most important thing to remember is the importance of the series in baseball, as you have to see every pitcher. The pools going around twice is the best way I could think of to accomplish this, but If there’s a better way to get the tourney done quickish, I can’t think of one.

Duh. I just realized that each pool would only have 2 games per day, not 3. That would mean start times of 9am and 2pm, to give them plenty of room for rain delays. Also, double headers could be put in, that way, too, if necessary, to make up games that got rained out. That’s also why I put the off days at the end of each week, to allow for makeups.

I respectfully disagree. The North America vs. The World concept was rightly scrapped in the NHL. It completely destroyed any rooting interest in the game since many teams had players on opposing sides in the game, and it made for some really stupid selections to the team because of the limited talent pool on the World side.

As for why the US doesn’t dominate baseball like basketball, the answer is that they do. It’s just that major league players don’t play in the Summer Olympics.

I don’t think a baseball world cup with Major League players will ever work because you’d never find enough players who would care and the union would vote it down.

If they had it during the winter, I’d be all for it. But it CANNOT interupt the regular season.

There is a “Serie del Caribe” which pits the winter league champions from Mexico, Venezuela, PR, Dominican Rep. in a round robin tournament.
There are a number of Major Leaguers playing on these teams and not just younger players working on their game in the offseason. Miguel Tejada, Rafael Furcal, Jose Valentin played in this year’s series.

Venezuela didn’t make it this year because of turmoil at home so PR’s league runner-up stood in…

Maybe instead of national teams, it could be like a club tourney in soccer. The league champs from the different countries.

Holland beat Cuba in the 2000 Olympics. Does that mean we’re a title contender for the hypothetical world cup? :slight_smile:

Hey Coldie, what was that Dutch fellow that played for the Yankees a few years back? Muelens?

PS Good luck today…best wishes for your father and your family.

No, it’s a dumb idea.

I really don’t see a lot of purpose for a Baseball World Cup, but then I’m the least nationalist person I know. Why players playing for the USA or Canada is inherently any more interesting than having them play for Seattle or Houston defies my understanding. The major league baseball season provides all the baseball I’m interested in seeing.

Having players leave their major league teams would obviously create a disproportionate, unfair impact on teams that happened to have 2 or 3 nations’ stars. As a lifelong Blue Jays fan, I gotta tell you that if the Jays missed a playoff spot in 2005 by one lousy game because they lost Carlos Delgado, Vernon Wells and Roy Halladay for three weeks to the World Cup, I would be absolutely furious.

Baseball fans have years, even DECADES of emotional investment in their favourite teams. I can tell you the Jays’ win-loss record every single year of their existence. Baseball history matters to me, and has in my mind a degree of permanence and legitimacy. To lose a pennant to an exhibition match is not anywhere near worth it.

No no no. You can’t do that. Make a suggestion like that again, and I shall haunt you in other forums calling you Bud Seling.

I forget is name, but I know who you mean. Black guy, right? I seem to recall he was pretty good, though probably average for Major League standards.

I did a little googling, and there was a Dutchman (of the Antilles, actually) by the name of Meulens who played for the Yankees between 1988 and 1993, but I’m thinking of a guy who played MLB more recently.

Google… google… ah, here we go: Rikkert Faneyte is the guy I had in mind, played for the SF Giants. Huh, seems that too ended in 1996.

There’s got to be a more recent one! Dig, dig… yes! Ralph Milliard, who plaid for the Mariners and the Mets, until 1998.

Whew. Enough of that. :slight_smile: And thanks for the wishes.

Andruw Jones of the Atlanta Braves, one of better young players in the game is from Curaco, a part of the Netherland Antilles. It would be interesting to see him playing under the Dutch flag in a World Cup like setup.

I remember MLB had a commercial a few years back where they had players singing lines to “Take Me Out to the Ballgame” (Mark McGwire was the English language representative) in their own languages and Jones was one of the players in the commercial, singing in Dutch or whatever the local Dutch variant is down there. Good commercial.

Well, since he’s from the Antilles, it would be a toss-up between Dutch and Papiamento. Though I don’t blame you for not being able to tell the difference. :slight_smile: If it sounded somewhat like German, it was probably Dutch. Papiamento sounds vastly different from Dutch, FWIW. I can’t understand a word of it.

No one’s mentioned the owners lashing out against this idea for fear of their marquee players getting injured. What would happen, if this idea ever got off the ground, is that the tournament’s rosters would be populated by players from the high minor leagues - triple or double A ball. This is assuming the tournament took place during the season.
There is already an abundance of leagues that play during the offseason, diluting the talent pool available at that time as well. The Carribean World Series is already fairly close to an International World Cup. I don’t think Japan or Korea could compete in such a tournament as the only successful professional players from those countries (with the exception of Ichiro) have been pitchers.
I believe most established American major league stars would avoid playing in such a tournament during the offseason as well. They like their time off to rest and recuperate.

erm - you know what happened at the last World Basketball Championship right?

http://www.2002worldbasketball.com/news/view-article.asp?item=08-9814313837

this was with a team that consisted of a lot of good NBA players (not the best team,missing some big men, but certainly a really good one):

The following players were named to the U.S. Team for the 2002 World Basketball Championship coached by the Milwaukee Bucks’ George Karl:
Elton Brand (Los Angeles Clippers)
Antonio Davis (Toronto Raptors)
Baron Davis (New Orleans Hornets)
Michael Finley (Dallas Mavericks)
Raef LaFrentz (Dallas Mavericks)
Shawn Marion (Phoenix Suns)
Andre Miller (Los Angeles Clippers)
Reggie Miller (Indiana Pacers)
Jermaine O’Neal (Indiana Pacers)
Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics)
Ben Wallace (Detroit Pistons)
Jay Williams (Chicago Bulls)

Collegiate Alternate:
Nick Collison (University of Kansas)

Assistant Coaches for the US team are:
Gregg Popovich (San Antonio Spurs)
Mike Montgomery (Stanford University)
Kelvin Sampson (University of Oklahoma)
Personally, I would love to see a baseball world cup. I love the big international sporting events - the upsets, seeing the pros from different teams work together, getting up early in the morning to watch an evening game…etc.
My money would be on the US. It would be interesting though.