Uh huh … that’s exactly what they want you to believe.
The other day I was reading a news article about someone who was legally declared dead and hasn’t been able to reestablish their identity, when suddenly I was struck by the irony: these people, unwittingly and unwillingly, have actually achieved what the Sovereign Citizens have spent countless futile efforts attempting- the divorce of their “natural” self from their “legal personhood”. And in this Ohio case, the forces of law and government seem to be hamstrung by the rules:
So are these non-persons actually free of the government? I’m sure that in criminal cases a person could be prosecuted as “John Doe” if necessary, but how what about civil proceedings, taxes, etc.?
SovCit nuttery takes root, in part, because a lot of people don’t really know their neighbors. If you were the only one in your town paying what the government said you owed on taxes (or, rathr, what the “government” said you “owed” in “taxes”), would you even know?
More like the laws of the united States say we don’t have to obay the directives promulgated as laws by the corporation called “The United States of America”
Um, what? Sure they do.
I can’t think of anything that could possibly mean that even means anything, let alone lines up with facts. Was “do not respect state boundaries” expanded on at the link? I may have missed it in the eyebleed; I didn’t stay long, this is a new computer and I didn’t want it to catch the crazy.
Only if we put gold fringe on the all caps.
And type across the screen at a 45 degree angle. In green font.
Back when I lived in Kansas, I knew a guy (forget his name now it was a long time ago) who claimed that bank loans were real unless it was loaned in “real” money, ie gold silver, wouldn’t register his car, or pay taxes, fines, etc. because he was “Sovereign Citizen” and he got away with it for a few years, but one day he wasn’t at the bar (he’d use funny money as he called it to pay for drinks and food because we were stupid enough to take it for goods). The police using arrested him, the bank took back his home, car, was in a REAL jail for 3 or 4 years.
So yea you probably could get away with it for a while, but sooner or later someone will notice and you’ll end up in jail for a few years.
I think the answer to all these kooks (and a number of others of their ilk) is to take a hunk of territory that doesn’t really matter, like North Dakota, fence it off and dump them there. No contact with the outside at all. A modern Coventry. Shoot anyone who tries to leave. Then let them enjoy their sovereign citizenship without bothering those who wish to live in civilization.
(taking notes) Left or right shoulder? I want to do this right.
Think about it this way. . . If you look right on the back of the 1040, it clearly states something to the effect of “. . . thank you for making the IRS the world’s most efficient voluntary tax collection system. . .”(paraphrased). Key word there is “voluntary”.
Now, getting someone to. . .pay. . . taxes is the thing. Accountants and tax preparers aren’t there for you, the individual. They are there for the IRS. They make you think you have less to. . .pay. . . but the key word there is “pay”. you are still . . . paying. . . Using the A4V method is nothing more than using your Exemption (this is their rules) to discharge a debt. (Look up using your Exemption). one method of many, actually.
Advice: use your OWN DUE DILIGENCE with these methods. KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING before you do!
JMHO - YMMV
Reported for ellipsis abuse.
However, feel free to give it a try. Get back to us on how it worked.
What is “voluntary” is that you fill out the forms yourself, and can submit what you want (filing jointly, filing individually, etc). In contrast, in many countries, you simply bring your information to the tax authorities and they fill out the forms and tell you what you owe.
But did the TurboTax floppy disk have gold fringes? Hmmmm?
Better to think about it this way. You are. . .wrong. . .in what you say. Your. . .wrongness. . .is absolute. Accountants can and do know how to allow you to pay less than you. . .wrongly. . .would otherwise. We know this because if this weren’t true then the numerous complaints about millionaires using tax loopholes to reduce taxes even to zero levels be. . .wrong. . .and they are not. The key word here is. . .wrong. . .The A4V system is so totally and completely. . .wrong. . .that it is hard to express it in mere words so I will confine those words to. . .wrong. . .wrongness. . .wrongnicities. . .wrongitude. . .and. . .wrongacalifragilisticexpialidocious. . .
Well, considering that I know someone who actually went to jail and is still working out the mess with the IRS over this loopy idea, my mileage definitely DOES vary from your own. My WAG is you have never actually tried to do this, and have little to no idea what the actual, real world legal ramifications would be, and thus are just talking out of your ass.
But, as others have mentioned, feel free to give it a whirl and let us know how it turns out. Assuming they let you post to this message board from prison, that is.
I’d guess it’s more a case of never actually having had to pay any taxes… just file the 1040EZ for a refund and spend it getting drunk and bitching about tax rates.
Hits Save humming “Too Much Time On My Hands”…
This entire post (and the one it’s mocking) should be read in the voice of William Shatner.
That was the first thing I went with when reading it. Bill is King of The Dots.
Shatner, definitely, with a bongo drum accompaniment.
Hmmm, I was thinking more Hugo Weaving as Agent Smith from the Matrix.