The only question answered, it seems, is that none of you have read his book, therefore your opinions are fairly worthless, except to mark you as skeptics with little interest in expanding your knowledge base.
Then you’re posting on the wrong Board. Try elsewhere, where people are stupider.
Let me FINALLY answer your questions with some measure of authority. THe following are factual answers to your questions.
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Dr. Leir is not a credible source for studying claims of extraterrestrial implants intentionally placed by alien beings.
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His claims linked in the video are not worthy of any serious scrutiny.
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I’m unable to answer if he is a poor deluded fool, that would be an opinion. There are other, more professionally accepted terms for his behavior, thought, and abilities. Those could be better construed as facts than “poor deluded fool.”
Thank you for letting me answer your questions factually and appropriately in this forum, without getting sidetracked by non-authoritative opinions.
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I am asking if anyone has any familiarity with this man’s work, specifically his book, “The Aliens And The Scalpel”.
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I’m sorry, I missed this one. I thought your original post contained the questions you wanted answered. Here is my authoritative and factual answer to your question.
Yes, I am familiar with this man’s work, including “THe Aliens and the Scalpel.”
Thank you again for letting me answer your questions correctly and factually.
And, Sigene? Anything worthwhile to add? Something resembling an argument or an opinion, maybe?
Ok, apart from Sigene, who had ever heard of this Dr Roger K. Leir before this thread
Arguments and opinions would be the realm of GD or IMHO. Since this is General Questions, I’ll limit myself to answering your questions factually as best I can.
I could try to add things, but I’m not sure you would accept me as an authority on the topic. If I added things you didn’t agree with you might consider my opinion fairly worthless and you might mark me as a skeptic not interested in expanding my knowledge base.
They are real. They are implanted by Goldman Sachs to urge you to borrow money and use credits cards. It works very well.
If that’s your question then your OP was not well phrased. You ask if anyone has any information on the credibility of the guy speaking in a particular video that you link to. It’s certainly not surprising that people will watch the video and then offer up thoughts on the credibility of the speaker based on what they just saw.
Then you ask if his claims “…in the linked video are worthy of any serious scrutiny…” which certainly sounds like asking for feedback on the specific claims that he makes in that video.
Finally you ask if he’s “…another poor deluded fool.” If people think that his claims to have recovered alien implants from human beings are not worthy of any serious scrutiny then it’s not a big shock that folks will think he’s a fool/delusional/making it all up.
Given that a number of people have told similar stories for years and nothing supporting those tales has ever turned up, the next person hawking a book on the same topic is going to get the same reception as someone who comes out swearing that UFOs built the pyramids.
But, this person is hawking physical proof of some sort of anomalous substance being found inside human beings that purportedly seems to be manufactured, despite it allegedly coming from a meteorite !
Wouldn’t a truly enquiring mind at least want to check beyond the youtube hype, before passing any judgement?
With a claim like this? No, not really.
Why? In the first place, I see no YouTube hype here, just a video that you asked about. So I watched the video and answered you.
The object, as you say above, “purportedly seems to be manufactured”. The key word being “purportedly”. Does the video present any actual evidence to support this claim? No, it does not. As I said above, the video just says that it was scanned with an electron microscope and that some completely unnamed person then just decided that it was manufactured.
You say that he “is hawking physical proof of some sort of anomalous substance . . .”, but he’s doing nothing of the kind. He’s making wild claims and presenting no proof, physical or otherwise. The only physical proof of anything that is actually presented in that video is that there exists a small pebble which is from a meteorite. That claim I accept. Everything else presented in that video, everything, is just the narrator and the Dr. saying so.
If I show you a rock and say that it’s actually a sophisticated computer far more advanced that anything that humans can build, what will you do? If you’re a truly inquiring mind, will you take the rock and go test it to see if my ridiculous claim is true? What if I also show you a report from a geologist that says: “It’s a rock”, but that I looked at it under a microscope and found that it’s clearly manufactured. If you’re a truly inquiring mind, will you still take the rock and go perform some battery of tests on it to determine if it’s really a super computer?
It’s not an inquiring mind that says “yes” to that question, it’s a gullible one.
The video presents physical proof that the object in question is a meteorite, then just claims that it’s something else. Most people have far, far better things to do with their time than to “investigate” such silliness any further.
Absolutely, and I hope that the doctor is the first person to do so. Here’s a few steps that I’d recommend:
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Document the bejeebers out of the evidence. For example, if the stuff required extraordinary surgical techniques to recover, film of it would be nice, and perhaps having the surgical team prepared to make a public statement about what they did/found when they operated.
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Have the evidence confirmed by independent experts in appropriate fields. My dad is a famous scientist in gaseous deposition of thin films but that doesn’t mean he can pass judgment on whether a bit of rock is from Earth or not, for example.
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Publish a paper listing all the evidence, how it was obtained, who tested it and what they found. Let other experts in the field take a look at everything and see what they say. If people find major mistakes in the methodology (e.g. “As a world-recognized expert in meteorites I can assure you that smelling a small chip of rock is not a proper way to analyze its composition, maybe you need to get this over to a mass spectrometer.”) then recheck.
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Assuming everything passes critical peer review then sit back and enjoy world fame like you’ve never dreamed of.
If the doctor doesn’t do these steps then what he’s got are unsupported allegations, and they’re in an area (alien abductions) that is famous for bogus claims - I’ll go out on a limb and say that so far 100% of these stories have been a mixture of “flat out wrong” and “explainable by normal, non-UFO, causes”.
I’m not dismissing the guy out of hand, but he’s saying that he’s got evidence of something that will truly alter our perception of the galaxy and our place in it. This will be An Awesome Moment In History if it’s true. Before coming out and stating that this is in fact the case he really needs to make sure that he’s on firm footing.
Hmmm… fair enough.
How about a semi-related question for anyone interested in furthering the topic’s implications, if true - is there anyone involved in the investigation of ufo/e.t. related subject matter who is taken seriously?
Without this, the claimant essentially has nothing.
It is not up to scientists/other doctors/skeptics to disprove this man’s claims - it’s up to him to document them. Doing a video like this (about as believable as the “alien autopsy” of some years back) doesn’t cut it.
If the guy’s right he gets rich and famous, and appears on Oprah and Larry King (well, strike that last part - you don’t have to have anything like real evidence to get on Oprah and Larry King).
This “revelation” reminds me of the faux controversy over “Morgellons disease”, where people claim to have mysterious lesions caused by an unknown organism or entity (extraterrestrial or otherwise), which causes “fibers” to extrude from their skin (the fibers are allegedly made of a material unknown to modern science, and have been tested by some lab which appears to be as credible as “Los Alamos laboratory”.
Plenty - within the community of UFO believers. Being taken seriously by the scientific community would require actual, documentable, peer-reviewed evidence, and we’re still waiting for that.
But, he hasn’t only done a “video like this”. Have you read his book? And anyway, the clip was obviously uploaded as an excerpt from something and should have no reflection on Roger Leir, unless he uploaded it himself or asked someone to do it.
I’m sure there were at least a few peer reviewed incidents that were left unexplained after the government made its official enquiry into them during Project Blue Book etc. Or are you suggesting those involved weren’t a reputable bunch of scientists?
Please send me links to these peer reviewed incidents left unexplained you speak of and I will research them and give you my expert view of them. I can give you an authoritative report as to the reputation of those scientists.
Hi Ivan
I get the impression you don’t think I have answered your questions regarding this; and that you continue to believe the work of Dr. Leir is reputable.
I thought I had answered your questions fairly clearly. Can you give me an idea of what other questions you might have or what needs to be done so that you would accept my answers.
He isn’t credible and his video is not worthy of serious scrutiny.
There were indeed a number of incidents that were unexplained by Project Blue Book. Note that “unexplained” does not mean “evidence of aliens” or even “something weird happened”. It meant (in that study) that they did not have sufficient evidence to draw any conclusions.
For example, if a report consists of “I saw a funny light in the sky” but it doesn’t describe how said light behaved, the time/date/location of the report and other such info, then there is really not much to go on. It could be anything, including an airplane, Venus, a meteor, a rogue Star Destroyer, etc. There is not enough info to make any kind of conclusion so that’d go down as “unexplained.”
“Dr. Leir’s” website claims:
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The National College of Foot Surgeons does not exist, and indeed the name appears on the internet only in Dr. Leir’s “CV”. The American Board of Podiatric Sports Medicine appears on the internet in exactly two contexts: after Leir’s name, and in the CVs of two other physicians. Suffice to say that it may exist, but it’s certainly well hidden. The American Board of Foot Surgery does appear to be a real organization, but doesn’t have a website. The American Circulatory Society again appears in the CV of exactly one physician, plus Leir. The Society for Non-Invasive Vascular Technology does appear to exist but only as a series of local organizations, and there doesn’t seem to be one covering California. Be that as it may, there does not appear to be a certifying board attached to any such organization.
Furthermore, the American Podiatric Medicine Association, which covers most practicing podiatrists in the US, does not have a member with the surname “Leir”; the Medical Board of California has no record of a licensed physician with the surname “Leir”; WebMD’s physician search tool returned no results for physicians in California named “Leir”; and the American Medical Association has no members in California named “Leir”. Oh, and the Ventura County Medical Association has no members named “Leir”.
On the other hand, Healthgrades does return a hit for a podiatrist in Thousand Oaks, CA named Roger Leir.
I would guess he submitted his own contact information to Healthgrades in order to make himself appear slightly more credible. Based on the above, I presume he’s either not a physician at all, practices medicine without a license, or let his license to practice medicine lapse a very, very long time ago.
The last possibility would seem the most likely, except for the following quote (again, taken from his website):
Nowhere does it say which schools Mr. Leir received these degrees from. I’m assuming that means he either never really received them, or they came from one (or several) of the quack (read: unaccredited) schools which are so popular in California.
ETA: Forgot to include a point, although that should be obvious. Dr. Leir is not a physician. If he lies about being a physician, I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that he lies about other things, like finding alien widgets in people’s colons.
Anyway, he’s a regular guest on Coast to Coast AM, a talk radio show on which the politically and scientifically overwrought (and crazy) are invited to discuss their crackpot theories in an atmosphere of total credulity. Nobody who appears on Coast to Coast is sane, much less telling the truth.
Why would someone have to read his book to know that the burden of proof is entirely on him, not on us? Are you implying that the Federal investigators cannot charge Bernie Madoff for running a Ponzi scheme unless they personally lost money in it? That the police cannot charge someone with a crime unless they were the victims? Why would we have to spend our valuable time subjecting ourselves to his scam, which is recognizably like thousands of identical scam claims, in order to know it for what it is?