Bullshit. The misogynists who wish to prevent women from control of their bodies have been passed by history.
I feel sorry for men who due to their personal failings are unsuccessful with the opposite sex and become old, sexually frustrated virgins, but they are the past, the future belongs to those who believe in gender equality.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I didn’t say anything about you and in fact found your arguments so banal, bigoted, and stupid I didn’t have any impression of you other than pity.
Your comment says vastly more about your feelings regarding women than mine about you.
Boys are very occasionally sexual assaulted by women, but perhaps you can man up and actually point to evidence of adult men being “raped” by women in sizable numbers.
Please provide evidence for this or admit that you posted an extremely stupid OP.
Not really. Abortion rights are actually pretty controversial right now.
Also, do you really think that all pro-life people are women haters? My mother is pro-life. She also fought for gender equality in her high school. I don’t think she’s a misogynist.
I believe in gender equality. Abortion isn’t about gender equality because men can’t have abortions.
“Men have tried for millennia to control women, but this isn’t the Middle Ages and the misogynists have been passed by.”
Why would you say that in response to my thread if you didn’t feel that I’m trying to control women?
Sizable numbers. Don’t forget that, just as with females, a lot of male rapes aren’t reported.
By the way, I don’t believe that this scenario is something that should be considered by lawmakers. It’s a really obscure situation and there are a number of glaring pitfalls. I just thought it would provide for a good debate. I’m pretty sure I was wrong.
First of all a woman being sexual with a student makes national headlines because it is so rare. With males it is so commonplace you don’t even read about it Most men are not sexual predators, but most sexual predators are men. Trying to make women as rapists, is like saying breast cancer is a male disease because some men get it.
Teddy, your link says nothing about men getting raped by women. It refers to how many men are raped each year, but says nothing about the gender of their attacker.
Stats on this issue are hard to come by, but they ALL point in the general direction of female on male rape being extremely rare.
This wikipedia page on rape by gender says that only one percent of convicted rapists are female. It does not describe the gender of the victim, in other words, it includes both lesbian rape and male rape. If, as is the case with male on male rape, prison rape accounts for a lar ge percentage, the rate of rape of men by women could be very small indeed. The article does not provide any breakdown of the gender of female rape victims.
This articleindicates however that female on male rape statistics are very likely totally inaccurate. It cites the2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey conducted by the CDC, which states that when a woman forces a man to shove his penis up her vagina, it’s not rape. Rape is only penetration, according to the survey, envelopment is not rape, only penetration (though it IS defined as sexual violence).
If the CDC does not define vaginal envelopment of a penis as rape, what hope have we of getting accurate statistics?
That said, the stats still overwhelmingly indicate that men are responsible for almost all of rape, and women account for most of the victims. I’d be very surprised if vaginal envelopment being defined as rape changed the stats to any great degree. But it COULD BE that social pressures with regard to rape – almost all sources say that male rape goes unreported to a much greater degree than female rape – are radically distorting our perception of the facts on the ground.
I don’t think this discussion of female on male rape is fair. It happens, and I’m sure, given the stigma, it’s vastly underreported. In fact, I think a great many men who’ve been sexually assaulted by a women probably don’t even recognize it as such because our society is so fucked up gender-wise.
Now, I don’t think a situation where the OP’s concerns become realistic happens, well… ever. But female on male rape absolutely does happen, and it’s horrific like every other rape. And handwaving it away and marginalizing the victims is wrong and hurtful. There are a lot of readers of this board, and statistically some of them are male victims of female rape. Let’s be cognizant of that, as we talk about it, ok?
The parent did nothing wrong either. They were a victim. But lets put it another way. The father should be able to give the child up for adoption without the consent of the mother, assuming she is convicted. As far as dead beat dads, they would need to press charges and the mother would need to be convicted, and it would have to happen within a certain statute of limitations.
It’s the female rapist’s body, and therefore she should be able to choose to have an abortion or not have one as she wills, unless she is judged mentally unfit to make such a choice by a medical professional.
You know, I could even agree that a man – raped or not – who didn’t want to pay child support didn’t have to and the child would instead be compensated by the state.
But that man would no longer be the child’s father. He would have no right to custody or visitation or to ever see, hold, or speak to the child. If he realized one, three, five, ten, fifteen, or fifty years down the line that whoops, he wanted to after all, he could: but only if he first paid all the child support back to the state.
Requiring a woman to bear your child, however – rapist or no – is unconscionable. Using an unwilling person to incubate a child is forced labor. The short term for that is slavery.
The issue (as I see it) is NOT whether a woman who is pregnant due to ____________ circumstances should be “allowed” to abort. The issue is whether the government has the right to intervene, or the jurisdiction to enforce their laws inside a woman’s uterus, to prevent an abortion. I believe the government has neither the right nor the jurisdiction. I think the government should stick to building infrastructure and protecting our borders and leave grown folk alone to make their own medical decisions. I’ll let the government know if and when I need anything out of them… until such time I suggest they have a seat and keep quiet.
Thusly to give you a more direct answer - Yes! I believe a women should be able to abort anything or anyone from her uterus regardless of the circumstances. I don’t believe the government should even be a factor.
Frankly, as someone who pays $10K/year in taxes I’m irritated that my money is being spent passing, legislating, and enforcing any kind of abortion laws… Again, we need: INFRASTRUCTURE AND BORDER CONTROL.
I’m a Libertarian so when I say we need border control, I mean to protect America from any invading, nation building countries who might want to overtake us… I’m not talking about individuals who swim across the imaginary line at the bottom of Texas to come back to land that actually used to be theirs…
Hey may feel fucked (hey, it’s part of life) … but it’s not the gov fucking him. Why is it the state’s responsibility to enforce his fetal parental rights? Is the state to figure out everything for us? Are they required to sort out all our personal, parental, and financial matters? Is it the state’s job to make things all fair and soft and squishy and enforce naptime and time out???
That woman should be able to have or not have any medical procedure she has the means to procure…
I’m wading into rough waters, but I think this is an interesting thought experiment.
If the situation is such that a man was raped and his rapist is pregnant it seems either party should have the right to terminate the pregnancy.
If the rapist wants to rid herself of the zygote, her right to choose is in play and that’s the end of it. It’s not that the raped male planned with the rapist to get her pregnant, so it seems to me he doesn’t get to stop her making that choice. I suppose my personal bias is in play, as I can see that a staunchly religious man might have severe pain and suffering at the termination of a pregnancy that he is a party to, but that doesn’t give him the right to prevent any other woman from terminating her pregnancy.
But…
I’m going into dangerous waters because I feel that the raped should have the legal right to request an abortion as well. While I’m sure there are those who will disagree and point to the sovereign right the woman has to her body, that right is not in effect when she is convicted of a crime. For (a crude) example, if she steals diamonds from the man she rapes and places them in her body, she does not get to keep them.
How many of those rapes of men were committed by women?
Any man raped by a woman must report it immediately; if a crime occurred, charges should be filed. Yes, it’s a demeaning process–as many female rape victims have discovered. Any man only crying “rape” after it appears a one night stand might result in financial obligation is highly suspect…
The hypocrisy in this thread is overwhelming, and more than a little disgusting. The attempts of some to say too few men are raped by women to make it an issue, or even claim those who care are somehow dysfunctional and “sexually-frustrated” are reminiscent of the sounds apologists for the raping of women have been crucified for for decades. It may not be a widespread problem, but the hypocritical attitude towards male victims just exposes the reality that you haven’t arrived at the conclusion that rape is wrong on your own, but only believe it because society has drummed that idea into you. The message always refers to male on female rape, so unfortunately your brain actually has to do some work when discussing other forms of rape. The result is quite unpleasant.
I don’t think the person is saying what you are saying…females raping men against their will is so rare and to make it an issue, in my opinion is diminishing the real problem…men raping women and men.