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Karma, and why not. What difference does it mean to a supposedly timeless god.
Same could be said of you Guinastasia.
Who said the mother explicitly expressed such wishes as not to pray for the unborn child, and is not that right the child’s thus bypassing the request.
Would you deny the free will of others to act out of their heart.
Perhaps I should have made the logic more clear.
People in this thread (including mothers) have expressed the opinion that prayer for the unborn is unnecessary or even irritating. Therefore, not all mothers want prayer for their unborn. Mothers in this thread have explicitly expressed such wishes.
I don’t know, is it? Earlier you were worried about the mother’s karma, not the unborn’s. That indicated to me that you thought the right and responsibility lay with the mother.
Towards someone who expressed a desire that they not do that? Absolutely. Your free will stops where my free will begins. If I am incurring karma for not allowing you to pray for my unborn, then that’s my free will in question. We don’t incur karma for things that are out of our control, outside our free will.
Praying for a person who doesn’t want prayer is violence, not love. If the mother is the God of her unborn, then she gets to decline prayer for it. To pray anyway is to thwart God’s Will.
I repent my participation in this thread. Can I get my posts aborted?
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Said Mario Andretti.
Since when are devout Christians worried about ‘Karma’ of any stripe, much less someone else’s?
Co opting concepts from the Hindus are we now?
No worries, I hear that Christian God is nothing but inclusive and tolerant.
What movement influenced your break with reality?
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Catholics aren’t Christians! Catholics aren’t Christians! Catholics aren’t Christians!
Kanicbird, I will not continue to engage with you after this post. Yes, your definition of god and mine differ vastly. My definition of god is “a made up fairy tale to comfort us in the dark days when we looked to the sky and didn’t understand anything, and hopefully something we will leave behind in the future, or at least won’t affect public policy in any way”. So as you can see, we are not even close.
I don’t believe in the sanctity of human life, nor in souls. I do believe that we are on this Earth to wonder, and to discover, and to find out things. We are your God: we are the paradox that hasn’t been able to solve itself. We are the Universe manifest; trying to figure ourselves out. Which means I cannot at all stomach any faith or abide any belief without knowing in my world. We must turn over every rock, look behind every curtain, and discover all that this vast world has to offer us. And in the end, we may not recognize ourselves anymore, just as primitive man might not recognize what we are now.
Now, I do believe in a sort of karma. You say that me aborting a child and not praying for it means I have gotten some sort of karmic loss. I say frankly, that’s ridiculous. Me not having a child means I have had that much more money, wealth, love, and kindness, to distribute to other children. Me not having a child means I can be a great auntie. That I can give gifts to the children of my friends and bestow on them extra love. That is how I redress my “karmic balance”.
- Anaamika, atheist Hindu
My brain does a lot of stupid things. It thinks thatlines are longer or shorter than they are, it has massive troubles with sorting out reality in so many ways that it’s actually frightening, it tells me that the world is dark and I am better off dead (depression is fun!), it occasionally decides for no good reason that I am dying of a heart attack (yay panic disorder!), and it also was influenced deeply by an entire childhood spent in a fundamentalist cult.
So yes, I have to work at being logical and rational. I think a lot of people probably do, they just might not want to admit it, because being logical and rational is the “good” thing to be, and admitting that one’s brain is broken is hard to do - I still won’t admit it in meat-space, because I would face social sanctions.
Apologies for the hijack.
There was a FB post that went by on my wall - had a picture of a ‘baby born with 3 heads’ (lloks like the skull was malformed, pretty badly for sure) - aksing for ‘prayers’ to help the baby.
I almost replied -
“so all the prayers for a healthy pregnancy and birth were ignored, and you expect God to listen now?”
instead, I just unfriended the idiot.
Prayer - literally the least you can do to help someone.
I’ll flat out say that the whole “with a soul” thing is, while not incomprehensible, is only understandable as made-up malarkey used to subjugate and terrorize people. It is despicable nonsense.
Great! Now we’re gonna have autistic zygotes.
What the fuck does “no prayer exists” mean, then? That would appear to indicate that the question is asking whether there is some type of traditonal prayer for the aborted.
Best part of the whole thread.
Kinda wondering about “hard core prayer,” too. As long as you’re already kneeling, I guess?
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Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
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Basically Karma defined for Christians
And why would you consider me a christian, atheists has a stronger belief in the christian god then I do.
Who mentioned baptism - most likely a atheist who follows a christian god, which I do not.
Lets simplify this. A person has the right to request no prayers (for themselves) but does not have the right to demand that. A person has a obligation to honor such a request or override it according to their faith and their relationship with God. So no one has the right or ability to deny other people’s prayers nor should they.
The mother is given great authority over the unborn, that of life or death. The karmic effect is how can she expect peace with her decision when she denies personhood to the one who the life she is ending. I’m not saying she does not need compassion and understanding, I’m saying that karmically she can not get this if she denies it to her child.
God still is sovereign. God can deny a abortion, and I have heard that has happened (failed abortion, child born). While that woman is god over that child, God is still God over them as it should be.
Though I do agree with you that spiritual powers can be violence. This goes to intent. Was it for the well being of the child or other reason. Was it the request of the unborn child’s cry.