So if a woman needs an abortion, doctor-patient confidentiality no longer applies?
No – most of the polls cited, even by you, show a gender difference (which is sometimes very small) – the gallup one is just the largest.
Sure, I think that privacy in medical decisions is generally a sound policy.
So if I were making the laws, I’d say that as a matter of routine, “medical necessity” would be defined to exclude psychological distress and focus instead on substantial physical risks associated with continuing the pregnancy. But I wouldn’t mandate any sort of independent review as a matter of routine.
Other medical decisions – necessary tests, or the threshold for various therapies – are not independently reviewed. But the medical community certainly has incentives to follow those standards of care – for example, a woman who came to have regrets over an abortion would have a cause of action against a physician who failed to apply the proper standard.
So why are you picking the largest outlier?
Whose?
Is it that you don’t know what a personal opinion is, or that you don’t recognize that it’s all that yours is?
That was the first recent one I found that asked a clear question on the political (not moral) question of abortion – in this case, does one call oneself pro-choice or pro-life.
And what percentage of women called themselves pro-choice, in that poll that asked a clear question on the political (not moral) question of abortion?
You’re just wrong. A fertilized egg is just a fertilized egg. It could be a person. It could also be an ectopic pregnancy, a trisomy, a chemical pregnancy or just a late period.
I presume you’ll stop asking for tax dollars then, right? Because if you’re going to argue that I get to pay thousands of dollars in taxes but I don’t get to vote, you may want to find another country other than one founded on the principle of no taxation without representation.
A pregnancy is not an inconvenience. I was personally on the verge of dying from severe pregnancy induced high blood pressure during both times I gave birth. A pregnancy requires a woman to take on health risks that can easily put her life and health in danger as well as make it hard for her earn a living. Abortion is a form of self defense and that’s why a pregnancy should be NOT forced on an unwitting person.
Many women may not want to have an abortion for themselves but they are not in favor of anti-abortion laws.
Maybe in the circles you run in, but not in mainstream America. There’s very little support for denying access to safe, legal abortions in the early stages of a pregnancy or for rape victims.
Jesus H. Christ. Why do you refuse to acknowledge that pregnancy has any physical effects at all?
:rolleyes:
I was so sick during my first pregnancy, I was in the hospital on IV’s for three weeks. That was not discomfort or lack of freedom. It was a life threatening medical condition. I couldn’t keep food down for three weeks. I actually lose about ten pounds during that time. My blood pressure was so high during both deliveries my doctors were afraid I was going to go into convulsions.
Pre-eclampsia, a medically life threatening condition, affects about 5 to 8% of all pregnancies.
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Gestational diabetes can affect 2 - 10% of all pregnancies.
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High blood pressure and diabetes are not discomforts. They’re not an inconvenience. They’re not minor conditions. If a woman does not want to go through with a pregnancy, it’s not evil or horrible. I personally did not want more children for three after my first was born because my pregnancy with her was so physically difficult.
If I were, by some insane miracle, to get pregnant tomorrow, I would have to think long and hard about another pregnancy solely based on my physical inability to have a healthy pregnancy. And that decision would be mine to make. Not yours to deny, dictate or punish by law.
50% of women called themselves pro-choice, and 44% of men called themselves pro-choice.
Am I missing something?
Friend Hector, this position continues to perplex me.
On the one hand, you have made it perfectly clear that you consider abortion to be murder. Period.
On the other, you allow that under some circumstances, murder is acceptable.
I hope you can grok my confusion here. Why have you decided that in cases of “serious medical threat to the mother,” the murder of the unborn is something you support?
I wonder if **Bricker **and **Hector **demand a funeral and burial for every used tampon.
And a police investigation of every single woman who claims to have had a miscarriage. Because I’m sure the majority of men and women will support that!
Hector, dear, you are cordially invited to a personal tour of the pit: Are you feeling enough shame and guilt, you bad women? - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board
Um, is this a debate about the Supreme Court decision, or just the usual one about abortion itself?
Because I’m very “pro-choice” but I totally understand the decision. And after all, it was unanimous.
Yes. This makes no sense to me either. Why is it only then that the mother’s life supersedes that of the unborn? If nothing else matters any other time, why then?
I really don’t think he wants the mother to actually die giving birth-it’s just that she’s got to be punished by coming close to death.
Oh, me neither. I just think that’s be a plus. One less wanton, harlotty, shouldn’t think for herself woman lacking in shame and guilt to deal with then.
Let’s not forget the underlying reason for such thinking:
Self-defence is, sometimes, an acceptable reason for killing.