Before it was modified several times, it did indeed contain this line: I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.
Of course, if you want to claim that doctors should be following the original version instead of one of the modified versions used today you might want to remember how the original version began: I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement:
Yes, there are.
Cite.
Several abortionists have stated clearly -
and
Most of the time, an abortion is done on a healthy fetus and a healthy mother. This is also the case for late-term abortions.
Regards,
Shodan
You have to talk to these protestors to realize how incredibly stupid some of them are. Yes, some of them will take no for an answer, but the majority do not. I was once trying to hold a civilized conversation with one protestor when she stopped mid-sentence to chase a woman down the street and shove literature in her hand.
They do harass woman, they do hand out incredibly stupid literature, they do kill doctors, and some of them (despite their position) do have abortions
Your cite is a collection of second-hand anecdotes, but I was struck by a couple of the doctors who refuse to provide abortions to those they think are anti-abortion protesters. Should doctors refuse to perform abortions in cases where it is requested, and there are no medical contra-indications? I would have thought a consistently pro-choice board such as this one would condemn those who refuse such a request.
Regards,
Shodan
What? You think we want to force doctors to perform abortions?
Yes, I am. Unfortunately, those are rather impractical to enforce, which was the reason for the buffer zones in the first place.
Regardless, SCOTUS has spoken, unanimously, so that’s the law, and it’s up to us to deal with it, including the fact that harassment will continue unabated due to the difficulty of enforcement.
I believe the SCOTUS also declared abortion to be legal. Too bad the protestors can’t deal with that fact.
It’s unclear what point, if any, you’re trying to make here. This is no different than this case: Doctor Jack Cassell Tells Obama Supporters To Seek Help Elsewhere. Doctors should be bound by the code of medical ethics they’re supposed to uphold and keep politics the hell out of medicine.
How is refusing an abortion to an anti-abortion protester keeping politics the hell out of medicine?
Regards,
Shodan
No, I’m saying that prohibitions against abortion preceded Christianity. Or are you saying that because the oath is preceded by an oath to Apollo, its still just the opinion of religious zealots.
What makes you think they are refusing protestors abortions on a political basis? If I knew someone had a strong moral objection to a procedure I would probably refuse to perform it too.
Some of you do.
That decision wasn’t exactly unanimous like this one was.
It could have been a personal conviction not to give (elective?)abortions to hypocrites. In the end,I suspect a lot of the anti-abortion folks are really anti-abortion unless THEY need one. Then its a special case because their daughter has a bright future that would be derailed by being a single teen mother.
I’m sure you can offer a citation.
Of course that part of the oath was a religious matter-the debate wasn’t about when life started, but when the soul entered the body.
There are websites(strictly anecdotal) by clinic workers telling stories of just that sort of situation.
It’s not. Are you under the impression I approve of doctors acting like this?
That sounds like what it was. If the story is true, those doctors are no better than the Cassell guy in my previous cite, who refused to provide any kind of treatment to Obama supporters! They probably justify it as a transgression for the greater good (“teach the anti-abortionists a lesson”) but I consider it a violation of medical ethics. Doctors have a professional responsibility not to get drawn into either side of the anti-abortion hysteria.
Aren’t they entitled to at least a bit of quiet gloating, if not the Full Nelson Muntz Treatment?
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Perhaps this has already been addressed in the thread and I missed it, if so I beg your pardon, but your earlier post indicated your friend convinced a young woman to allow him and his wife to adopt so she wouldn’t abort her pregnancy.
That might not constitute harassment, but it’s certainly a less passive form of protest than praying the rosary.
Because that’s what they said they were doing in the cite.
Not Really All That Bright seems to, if you don’t.
Regards,
Shodan
OK - so what? I think the point of the anecdote is to disprove the assertion that anti-abortion types care nothing for children or mothers and don’t want to care for them. This is obviously false, as witnessed by the vast array of prenatal support, charitable support, and adoption services they offer in addition to protesting abortion.
George Carlin, in other words, was lying thru his teeth.
Regards,
Shodan