Sure. I said “That’s all we do,” using the present tense, as opposed to, “That’s all we’ve ever done.” Twenty years ago, we did initiate conversations with abortion-minded clinic patients. Following the Rudolph bombing in 1998, we decided that even the initiation of conversation had the potential of being viewed as threatening. Although the spectre of that violence faded, we never really revisited that decision.
So what I said was an accurate current description, and an accurate description of our behavior in 1998 forward, but not true of twenty years ago.
Going by what I’ve seen over the years, you are the rare exception, not the rule, when it comes to how abortion protesters feel about same-sex couples adopting children.
ETA: doubly my bad. I intended to say “Confirmation bias,” not “comprehension bias,” whatever that latter is. I blame auto-correct. It might even be true.
Well, over the years, my attitudes have evolved about same-sex marriage, but even when I believed that an opposite-sex couple was the ideal choice to adopt a child, I never would have weighed a same-sex adoption against an abortion and picked the abortion.
I suspect you may simply be assuming that because an abortion protester also disfavors same-sex adoption, he would weigh the two and decide against the same-sex couple adoption. But he could simply believe that opposite-sex couples are a better choice in general while still acknowledging that same-sex couple adoption was better than death.
The only thing I am assuming(with good cause, if my browsing through this list is any indication) is that a vast majority of organized anti-abortion groups are against letting gays adopt.
This question may be too vague a one, but as you’ve talked about pro-life views from the horses’ mouth as it were; you speak about pro-lifers possibly believing that while same-sex couples are inferior as parents go to opposite-sex parents, that it’s still better than death. Do you think there’s a “line” that pro-lifers would in general draw as a point where they might say “No, I value life, but in <circumstance X> death is, sadly, preferable.”
Truth be told I’m finding it hard to think of any situation that would be potentially so terrible that is both realistic and predictable (Would-be parents with a history of unsavoury activities with children, for example, would be dealt with criminally). Severe health concerns on the part of parents or child, perhaps? But as a hypothetical, is there a point in which pro-lifers, or you yourself perhaps, would consider life to be a less acceptable choice?
Bricker, do you know of any anti-abortion groups that guide people towards people that want to adopt their potential babies that allow same-sex couples to register with their group?
Sure – a colorable risk of death or serious medical consequence for the prospective mother would certainly be such a case where the unborn child’s death was not intended or welcomed but preferred to the death of the mother.
Just what is it that makes the mother’s life worth more than that of the fetus, to the point that her potential death or even “serious medical consequences” matter more than the *actual *death of the fetus? :dubious:
Just what is the level of potential harm to the mother that merely equals that of the life of what you claim to be a full human being? And how can that principle be applied to other situations?
I’m not finding anything on that website that indicates that they do any anti-abortion advocacy. They seem to be out there to help people that have already decided to give their baby up for adoption. In fact, the profile of one of their workers, Meredith, lists having worked for Planned Parenthood on her resume.
And I have two former Planned Parenthood workers at my pro-life counseling center.
But OK, you’re looking for an organization that simultaneously does anti-abortion advocacy AND adoption work?
I can tell you that that’s unlikely, simply because the more common-sense approach is for the anti-abortion group to simply provide referrals to the adoption group, rather than trying to keep both functions – which require entirely different skill sets, resources, and methods – under one roof.
How about the flip side of this - are there organisations which advocate for pro-choice policy, and also provide adoption support? Not necessarily a question to you, of course.
I’ll try to make it a little simpler.How about an anti-abortion group that openly advocates for same-sex couples adopting? That list I gave you is pretty damn large and comprehensive-surely somewhere on that list is a group that thinks adoption by same sex couples is just fine and dandy?
Nothing on that list indicates a position of the group one way or the other on the question of same-sex adoption, so I have no idea, and am disinclined to search down the list, researching each group.