If you haven’t settled the question of its humanity, then DON’T go around killing it. That’d be like shooting at something rustling in the woods, without first determining if it’s a deer or a fellow hunter.
JThunder
Less than one, eh? I guess that’s none, then. Which is why they voted not to restrict it. Another way of saying “none of our business”. How else could they have they possibly voted in order to come to a ruling that equals “this matter is ultimately a woman’s concern”?
Then gay men have the most objective view on the subject. Therefore, my opinion trumps yours (haven’t we been through his before?).
First of all, they DID pass restrictions on abortion, particularly in the third trimester. These restrictions were later rendered moot by the Doe v. Bolton case, but the Supreme Court DID take a stand on the matter.
And second, they did not simply say “None of our business.” In fact, the Supreme Court decision specifically prevents individual states from passing legislation that restricts abortion. This obviously goes far, FAR beyond merely saying “We have no opinion on the matter.”
If we truly believe that men’s opinions don’t matter, on the grounds that we are men, then the Roe v. Wade case should be overturned IMMEDIATELY, placing the responsibility for abortion legislation entirely in the hands of the individual states.
Obviously, you missed the part where I specifically said,
Since that statement was placed immediately after the text which you quoted, I can only conclude that you have deliberately chosen to ignore it, since it directly contradicts the point which you are attempting to make.
Are they being attacked by people who are on the other side of the debate or just by women in general who are mad a man has an opinion? I’ve only seen men dismissed from abortion debates when they are anti-choice. But i tend to stay out of these debates as they regularly devolve into shouting matches and murderer accusations.
The way I see it it´s a kind of right and responsabilities. You see, I won´t say my personal opinion here (remark that, please), i just want to make out a point.
If a woman has the right to choose if she has the child or not, if the male has nothing to say about his… well, then he has no responsabilities about whatever the woman´s choice lead to. I mean, if the male can´t say “let´´s have it” or “not this time”, then he has no responsabilities to the woman or the children.
If the woman has ALL the rights, then she has ALL the responsabilities.
In my country, if it is proven than certain man is the father of a woman´s child, he then has some responsabilites (economic mostly) about those brats. If they weren´t ever married, she can decide that she doesn´t want the man to see the children once in a while or has a say in the way they´re educated. That seems unfair to me.
But if the man has the right to speak his mind and his opinion to be listened, then he must share also responsabilities.
I always thought that nobody can hold the rights, but share responsabilities. If I have rights, I have responsabilities, if I have no rights, then I have no responsabilities.
That´s the way I see it.
JThunder
I didn’t ignore it, I was just pointing out that even using that logic, I still win (juvenille, yes, but oh well).
Yes.
Of course men can have an opinion. Why on Earth would you think otherwise ?
Some people will disregard your opinion on anything because of your gender, sexual orientation, culture, reproductive choices, financial circumstances, body weight, hair colour, food preferences, political leanings, age, choice of hobby, etc. That doesn’t mean you can’t have one.
For starters, how would someone stop you from having an opinion ? Impossible. Stop you from expressing said opinion ? Depending where you are. Here, the mods/admins can stop you from expressing any opinion they feel like.
So are you really asking if men can have a valid, informed opinion on the subject of abortion ? Well, that’s subjective and debatable and each person will answer differently. I happen to think they can.
Men have a right to participate in the abortion debate, just as non-Iraqis had a right to be concerned about the Iraqi government’s treatment of its citizens.
Human rights are a universal concern, and many if not all opponents of abortion perceive abortion as a danger to fetuses’ human rights, correctly or not. You wouldn’t expect an American to pay no attention to Saddam’s slaughter of the Kurds just because he wasn’t in danger of being slaughtered; nor should you expect a man to pay no attention to abortion (which he may perceive as slaughter of unborn babies) just because he’ll never be a party to it.
No uterus, no opinion.
You most certainly did ignore the disclaimer which I wrote, since I quite explicitly pointed out that objectivity is not the only relevant criterion in this debate.
And yes, that was exceedingly juvenile on your part.
>>No uterus, no opinion.
Then we should have no responsibility as to what you decide. If we have no rights then we SHOULD have no responsibility.
>>> I won’t defend that attitude, but I’ll draw a comparison. If women constantly stepped into discussions about prostate cancer and said things about how prostate cancer isn’t so bad, or if you didn’t want prostate cancer you shouldn’t have done X, or “my father/brother/husband has prostate cancer and he’s really happy about it,” you would start ignoring women who talked about prostate cancer. It wouldn’t be fair, but it would be understandable.
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Prostate cancer is not a fair comparison because the cancer will only kill us; not kill us and an unborn child.