There seems to be three variations of his involvement currently being argued simultaneously:
Man conceives, woman has abortion without his involvement
IMO, the man is not at fault in this case, since he had no knowledge/power to prevent it.
Man conceives, says, “You’re knocked up? You should have an abortion. Me? I’m going to go get someone else pregnant!”
IMO, the man should have a lesser penalty for inciting the woman to have the abortion.
Man and woman plan and carry out the abortion together.
Yes, they are both equally a fault.
There I hope that answers everyone well enough. And knocking down strawmen is a fun and rewarding pastime. Once enough are out of the way, the real loons on this board gain the courage to cheep.
I just wanted to point out that this is meant as a hypothetical discussion about what should happen if abortion were made illegal.
There are, indeed, people on this very board advocating mandatory death penalties for women who have abortions, as well as anyone who works in a health center where abortions are performed, whether in a medical or administrative capacity. There is also a poster here who advocated tying a Fallopian tube after each abortion, so you could only have a total of two. These posts, however, tend to not mention the father.
This kind of stuff, frankly, pisses me off. If the freaking receptionist, who probably doesn’t even know what you’re there for, can be held legally liable as an accessory, the father should be too. If he knows you’re pregnant, knows you’re planning to have an abortion, and doesn’t go to the police, he’s an accessory before the fact. It doesn’t matter if he says yes, no, or maybe about whether you should have one, or if he gives you any money or other help in obtaining an abortion. If he knew about it, he’s guilty, too.
If the receptionist is working for a doctor that does abortions how do you think he/she won’t know they are being done? Have you ever worked in a medical facility? And if, I say if because even if they were made illegal I don’t think the death penalty would be given like a few have advocated, the doctor knew that he/she could face the death penalty do you really think they would schedule them during normal office hours and have a receptionist check them in?
If all the guy did was impregnate her then he should face no penalty. It’s her decision after all. Even if she said to him that she is going to have an abortion, unless he has specific knowledge of when, where and by whom, then he should not face any penalties.
Have you ever heard anyone say something like I’m going to kill him, or I’m going to beat soandso up? Well if you did, based on what you advocate I’m sure you immediately called the police to tell them that there was going to be a future crime.
And what was it you said in the “With legal abortion, should men have to pay child support?” thread?
Yes, if a man forcibly impregnates a woman, he would go to jail. Conversely, if a man forcibly aborts a child, he goes to jail.
Your original premise was correct. The responsibility for what happens to an individual’s body belongs to the individual. The EVENT of pregnancy is solely the domain of women. The offspring is the end result of pregnancy and is the responsibility of both parties.
My fault, i assumed that most people would have a quick look at the recent abortion threads to get a better idea on their own and I didn’t want to point fingers…but since you asked again.
From the “Pro-lifers” thread:
“…Once a law is passed to give the death penalty for murder, it then becomes the choice/decision of the woman and the doctor to be executed or not. The prochoice people still get “some/most” of what they want, since the woman still has the “choice” to abort or not - the only thing that is different is that she will be executed if she chooses to murder. Her decision, not mine.”
"…After we execute the first 10 or 20 thousand women and doctors, the executions will go quite smoothly and quickly.
I dont know if the number of abortions will decrease(except in the cases of repeat offendors- there wont be any), that is speculation, but if fewer women have abortions because of the death penalty, if more women choose to use birth control, then all the better…"
“If you want to stop the woman from getting another abortion, wouldn’t sterilizing her be a less extreme method than killing her?”
There are other threads with similar views. Extreme sure, but hardly a strawman. Notice that nowhere is the father threatened with execution or castrat…opps sorry… Sterilization.
I simply wanted to know why.
My fault, i should have cited and not assumed. Apologies.
Well, our own Susanann was the one tripping on about the death penalty in the…I think it was the “If pro-lifers had their way” thread.
It was, I believe, msu 1978 in the “What if abortion was outlawed” thread who suggested that a woman have a Fallopian tube tied after her first abortion, then the second one done if she ever did it again. Come to think of it, it might have been the “Compromise on Abortion” thread.
Come close. I’ll tell you a secret. Pay attention now, cuz you don’t seem to be.
Crazies are crazies.
That’s it. That’s all. They’re all over the internet, ranting and raving about their stupid ideas that make marx look like he was riding the fence. Stop puffing up like a pissed off crow, no one really gives a shit about what they’re saying, nor does the majority of the people here agree with them.
However, if you wanted to get a reaction out of the crazies themselves, address them by name, so the rest of us realize you’re mocking them and not being a crazy yourself.