No offense Techchick but it seems that you’re angrier about this situation than Persephone is espeacially since Persephone already forgave Dex if I understand the OP correctly. If indeed Persephone forgave Dex and there’s no more bad blood between them I think you should relax a little. If I got any of the information wrong please feel free to correct me.
Hi
This topic looks like its going to get ugly-again, so i just wondered why dont we all just accept the fact that Dex has apologised and that Seph is ok with it now and is sorting out her problems. Otherwise I can see it as turning into a major problem for more then two main posters on the boards, and that would be a right old pity considering how the SDMB’s are actually quiet good… I know my post ount is low, and so il probably be ignored for the most part but Im just saying I think you all, who are firneds in some sort of way should leave it go.
Thanks
I am not as angry as I seem, I am however, appalled. I find injustice in this scenario and that what my problem is. As I said, I risk banning so I have to watch what I say here, fun eh? So I have said what I have to say about it.
Read what Persephone just wrote and it might make more sense as to why I feel like I do.
I read the original threads as they were happening, 'twas some scary stuff.
Like Mama Tiger said, I’m sorry Seph had those problems, glad they’re being corrected and happy for her good fortune in having true friends. I appreciated the original sentiment of the OP as rejoicing at one good thing that was sorta re-discovered in the midst of a different bad thing.
I don’t think Dex did anything wrong, however. If mods and admins have the responsibility to constantly police things, at the least they ought to have the same posting rights as everyone else.
I don’t have all of the facts and, apparantly, they aren’t going to be presented here. That’s fine by me. Given this, all I can do is base an opinion on the sketchy facts that I have. The following is my opinion:
-Dex’s only fault was to post those harsh words in the original MPSIMS thread. I believe he apologized for that in that thread and linked to the Pit thread. Based on what I know (and remember, those of us not in the know have not been given all of the information) he was not at all out of line to Pit the situation.
-The thought that an Admin’s post when Pitting a member should be taken as official board policy is foolish but that’s just me. Maybe it would have been better if Dex had made some sort of disclaimer at the start of the OP but I have no doubt that that would not have made the least bit of difference in the reaction that resulted.
-The self rightousness I have seen over this issue is beyond belief. As Persephone herself said, she knew she might get flamed over this. In my opinion, the flame was deserved.
-techchick, my friend, you are acting like a child. You started that other thread after we were told not to post about the issue until the staff had a chance to make a statement. Now you can post all you want so long as you are civil. You’re lucky you weren’t banned. Enough with the martyr stuff.
Haj
So, will this prevent an Admin from having a meltdown?
Good. This place needs Admins, for the really ugly situations, of which this is not.
This situation is a shitstorm in a thimble. This is hardly worth one thread, let alone three goddamned trainwrecks.
So Persephone is a really crappy housekeeper. So the fuck what? CPS has every right to be jumpier than a crack-addict flea on a hotplate, given what tends to happen when they become complacent. A slap on the wrist from them is a strong WAKE THE FUCK UP-call, in my opinion, and I hope Perseph is taking it that way.
Let me reiterate: If Persephone doesn’t clean up her act in every way, we as a community should rise up in revulsion and kick her sorry ass out. Not learning from what she’s been through should be damned near impossible, and if she is still in the same position in six months, she’s either terminally stupid or just doesn’t care.
End of fucking story.
Dex, in his Infinite Wisdom, decided to chew Perseph out in MPSIMS. He was chided, so he started a Pit thread in which he really let loose. Why? We can never know the mind of another, but my guess is righteous indignation over the fate of P’s children.
The situation is being handled, moron! You can either help the children by helping Persephone, or you can shut the fuck up!
In other words, put up or shut up. Don’t drag irrelevant commentary into a message board you are partly responsible for.
To recap: Persephone needs help, and not just in housekeeping. Dex needs to channel his righteous rage into something other than bitching on message boards.
Can we close this shit now?
OOooooooh, martyrdom…I am no victim, I never said I was so please reserve judgement like that for those that are acting like children.
I am reserving my opinion based on warnings I recieved directly from Zotti. Pardon me for wanting to keep my status as member rather than the untimely fate of those like xploder. I do however find that Dex was wrong in the intial threads and in this one tonight. I speak my opinion as freely as anyone here and I am not jumping on anyone, I am mearly expressing that opinion. If I am sounding like a victim you are reading things wrong as the victim here isn’t me, it’s Persephone for thanking those that helped her in a dire situation to which she admitted she fucked up.
techchick68, Ed said:
Ed has now posted his remarks. Looks like “further notice” has been given.
That’s what I thought I just did.
Here is the definition of martyr that I am using:
One who makes great sacrifices or suffers much in order to further a belief, cause, or principle
Your “if you wan’t to ban me for speaking my mind, go ahead” stuff in your Pit thread on this seems like wannabe martyr stuff to me but that’s just me speaking my opinion. Say whatever you want. You are just as entitled to your opinion as anyone else. I just don’t happen to agree with you. I also think that your presentation leaves much to be desired.
Haj
I was just thinking we needed old wounds gashed open like a pig on a slaughterhouse line…
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Derleth, what the f do you mean by this:
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People can’t be banned from the SDMB for off-board behavior. If they could, I can think of several people who would be long gone. Including me*. Or did you mean that she shouldn’t be shunned by other Dopers IRL and banned from Dopefests? If so, that would be up to those others, wouldn’t it now?
*About a year ago, I posted about something that happened with me, Mr. Rilch and Friend, and got responses such as “Why is this something to be proud of?”, before the thread was locked. In fact, I believe my thread was directly responsible for the refinement of one of the board rules. But no one spoke of banning me, or barring their doors against me IRL, and if they had, they would have been wrong.
I don’t have a horse to back in this race, just a comment:
Why are tempers running so high with this issue? I’ve (mostly) lurked on this board since mid 99 and I’ve seen a lot of pittings that were much worse. Dex may have stepped over the line in MPSIMS, but it seems to me this has been addressed. The pit thread was relativly mild compared to many I’ve seen; Dex going off without having all the information is something that has been done by a lot of dopers.
The only thing that I can think is that people are pissed because he is an Admin. But he is also human and a member of this community. If Persephone is willing, how about cutting him some slack and letting this issue go, at least emotionally?
When I read the original Persephone post, I felt exactly as Dex did.
Had Persephone been a less popular poster, there would’ve been no issue.
The only happy thing in all this is that Persephone says she intends to make things better in her life, and I hope she does.
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From here:
Now, you’re worried about being banned, and making damn sure everyone knows it. We get it, you’re indecisive. Get over yourself.
Another “me too”.
A lot of people have been asking why we seem to be so upset about this whole matter.
I’ll try to explain why, in the simplest terms I can use.
Dex was our friend. The first time Persephone and I ever actually met each other, he drove us around Chicago showing us the sights. He knew us and we respected him.
However, when Dex read the initial thread, he did not know what had been going on. yes, he was right to be concerned, but he could have taken it two ways :
a : He could have thought, “Gee, I wonder what happened and I hope everything is okay. I know Seph and didn’t think she was a bad mom, but I could be wrong. Maybe I should find out first.”
b : He could have assumed the worst.
Not only did he do (b) but he chose to report (b) on the board AS fact. Because we both repected Dex so much, this was a completely blindside attack.
We’re so upset because we didn’t consider this a pitting by a doper, we consider it a betrayal by a friend.
Yeah, I don’t care if I am banned but I am walking on egg shells here and I do have a lot of friends with who I like to interact with. There for I will do what I can to avoid banning but that doesn’t mean I don’t care cuz I don’t from an administration standpoint…from a friend standpoint I would be very sad as there are a lot of people here I like and enjoy that don’t include Live Journal.
It’s a Catch 22.
Euty, I think that is what upsets me most. He had a choice to email YOU, knowing fully your relationship with Cristi and he took the “stupid” route and didn’t ask you what exactly was going on. It’s not like your email is all that private to anyone.
In addition, he did take the MPSIMS thread and made it a place that most would be called upon for being a jerk…yep, I said it again.
I wish this episode had never happened but to get back to the original thread in question…Thank you fellow Dopers for helping her out during a time that was most critical. It really does show the level of relationships and friendships that have developed on the SDMB. That was the original intent of her thread, to thank those that helped her out in a bad situation. She never “bragged” about being at a Dopefest while this was happening, she was thanking those that stepped up to the plate to help her out during a bad time.
I would hope that I could be the giver during a crisis of another one of my Doper friend’s issues. Unfortunately I live far away from many of my best Doper friends and frankly, what the cause was is something I can relate to. She can only work to make it right and from here on out, I give her my highest marks for owning up to her situation and trying to make it right. What I don’t agree with is comments that make her look bad. She’s not a bad person and in fact I think I remember that she hosted a Dopefest two years ago. I don’t think that she’s just a horrible mom but things went awry and she knows that so why beat her down over it?
I don’t want to be banned but if I am, so be it. I felt that Dex was a complete jerk about it.
Do you have to repeat this crap in every post? You’ve had your further notice. Accept it. There ain’t no nails holding you onto that cross.
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