About United Way

Another issue is that the UW becomes such a source for some charities, that if things change those charities can find themselves in a world of hurt. The small charity is dependent on one big donor effectively, a donor that can change their mind for a variety of reasons.

I know that the NRA used to send out messages to its members on how to direct their work donations to the NRA. The Boy Scouts of America have done the same, after some UW chapters stopped supporting them.

I think the UW had a great purpose before the internet, but now that we can find charities, review them, and easily make direct donations I don’t know if they are still as critical.

My understanding is that this is also a scam. There’s two “classes” of charities in United Way. There’s the little local ones and there’s big national ones that get a kickback from every donation. The little local ones, yeah, they can get nothing.

Note: I don’t have any cites for this, just what I’ve been told

To my knowledge, it is part of general UW policy that charities are prohibited from running their own fundraising campaigns at the same time as the UW campaign is on, which puts smaller charities at a major disadvantage for bringing in funds on their own, leaving them with little choice but to depend almost exclusively on UW money to operate. Not cool.

I’m in one of those UW zones where there is a flat rate “overhead” charge for redirecting funds to a specific charity and, if my money does not exceed the annual allocation for that charity, they get nothing over and above that allocation. So if I were to decide to bow to the pressure at work to be a team player and give to the UW, and I decide to give $20, and I ask that that $20 be sent to, say, the Boys and Girls Club, first the UW will take their cut (which is $17), and then they’ll throw my whopping three bucks into the general pool that they were sending that way anyway. Alternatively, I could take a twenty dollar bill to the Boys and Girls Club, hand it to the person at their front desk, and they wind up with the UW allotment AND my twenty bucks. It’s really a no-brainer for me, although the high-pressure tactics conducted every fall at work during the campaign are irritating to the point where I’ve been tempted to lodge a complaint with HR (except that HR runs the campaign, so I’m not sure it would do much good).

I will not knowingly give one red cent to the United Way. They’re a bunch of multiple sons of multiple bitches, IMHO. :slight_smile:

This is, in many many cases, completely incorrect. The United Way in my area offers a tremendous amount of services, and is an indispensable (non-financial) resource for organizations that it serves. It may not be providing services directly to individuals, but that’s hardly a requirement for any number of non-profits. The seminars, databases, consulting, fiscal oversight and NGO capacity of our United Way would be nearly impossible to replace if they disappeared.

No offense, but this sounds like complete bullshit. If you don’t have a cite, could you look for one?

As for my perspective, I have very mixed feelings. As I alluded to above, I’ve worked closely with our United Way on a number of different committees, functions, and activities - they’re a tremendous organization, and have a level of institutional knowledge that they apply to building up the stability of non-profits in our area that would be very difficult to replicate. The fees they take out of donations is well worth what they give back.

On the other hand, I just started working for an organization that receives UW money - and as a condition of that money, my department has to cease actively fundraising from September through mid-November. That’s not the absolute peak of fundraising season, but it’s awfully damn close. There are plenty of other activities that we can engage in (informational mailings, gathering information, planning our winter appeal, etc.) - but it’s a mighty big string to attach to the funds.

As for the pressure that’s put on people in the workplace, I’ve been there as well. The shenanigans that take place to get at or near 100% giving is atrocious. As a United Way organization, we do benefit from reaching a much larger donor base than we could otherwise afford, and anyone that designates our organization for funding has their information given to us so that we may solicit them in our other appeals. I’d love to be independent of those funds, but it’s not worth it at the moment.

I don’t know where you live and I don’t know what the policies of your local UW are.

But I agree that this sounds like complete bullshit. Of course, “what I’ve been told” is complete bullshit 99% of the time. That’s why cites can never be found.

Most United Ways have total expenses of 12-18%, total including fund raising costs and standard overhead. That’s fairly low as such things go. The Better Business Bureau rates OK anything under 35% for fundraising and 15% for overhead. That’s right. If 50% goes to programs, that’s a good record. The UW runs 85%.

Want to check it out? The Better Business Bureau Charity Review will provide a complete breakout of income and expenditures and give an administrative expense percentage. For Rochester, fund raising is 8% and overhead 5%. So 87% goes to programs.

Back in the early '80s, when I was working in Tampa, FL, we had UW drives every year. A co-worker had had a very negative experience with the UW-sponsored and -approved shakedown at his former employer, and was waxing eloquent about how he had absolutely no intention to contribute this go-round. I was commiserating with him, when our boss, “Skip”, came out of his office to berate me for trying to convince my co-worker not to contribute.

I patiently explained that I was not trying to change my co-worker’s mind or his decision to contribute or not, but was merely agreeing with him and his reasons for not participating. But since you’re here, I continued, why is it that the United Way encourages employers to hold hostage their employees’ jobs, performance reviews, raises and promotions, based on whether, and how much, they contribute to the United Way?

Me: “So there is a big consortium of executives downtown running the United Way campaign, and they decide that all the wage slaves in the community should have their life and livelihood held hostage to the “charitable” fund drive, when many, such as my co-worker and I, contribute voluntarily, and generously, on our own without management jack-boot tactics?”

Skip: “For your information, ‘Dave’, our director, is on the board of the United Way, and he gets a plaque to hang on his wall if we get 100% participation.”

Me: [I knew this already] “Ahhh…so that’s what this is really all about. It has nothing whatsoever to do with helping those in our community who, for reasons beyond their control, are less well off than us, and deserving of the community’s charity. It is all about Dave getting a plaque to hang on his office wall.”

Skip: “Well…I…”

Me: “So the fact that my buddy here and I contribute generously to those less fortunate, counts for nothing, because Dave can’t brag to the other board members that his agency had 100% participation, and get a plaque to hang on his wall, is that about right?”

Skip: “Well…I…”

Me: “I have nothing more to say.”

Skip: “Me either.” And he turns on his heel and storms off to his office.

To address the contention that the Board of Directors of the United Way campaign were unaware of the reprehensible workplace tactics used to coerce the employees to participate, I point to the obvious fact that said board is composed of executives from the very companies and governmental agencies which engage in these disreputable practices.

Either they know, and agree with the tactics, and are therefore corrupt, in my estimation, or they are blissfully unaware of the atrocities being perpetrated in their name, with the inevitable animosity which that engenders, in which case they are incompetent, in my estimation, to handle and disburse the billions of dollars flowing through the United Way coffers.

In either case, I would much rather research charitable organizations on my own, and determine, to the best of my abilities and with the publicly-available information, which seem—to me—to be best equipped and managed to provide services to the community with a moderate overhead.

Here it is, thirty years later, and in Colorado, and we still get the literature from our employer every year for the UW campaign where they acknowledge the apprehensions of employees to the egregious shakedowns of the past with a line to the effect that, “We don’t do that anymore.”

ANYMORE!

They admit they used to, and still would, were it not for governmental intervention preventing them from using UW participation as a sledgehammer over the heads of their employees!

Girl Scouts cannot sell cookies during UW fundraising in the Twin Cities if we want UW money. Which is in October. So logically, our Scouts here in Minnesota are sort of forced into a January - March cookie season - have you gone door to door in January or stood outside your WalMart in February?

Is it too dumb a question to ask why they don’t sell their cookies April through June?

Frozen thin mints are actually pretty good. Maybe that timing disadvantage could be turned into a marketing opportunity.

I do not contribute to the United Way. I can’t imagine circumstances that would inspire me to do so. I write checks to local charities directly.

Frozen Brownies, not so much.

Nine years ago, a group leader where I worked sent out an email asking for volunteers to help build a wheelchair ramp for a disabled person. It was part of a United Way project.

I volunteered. It was estimated to take three days to finish the job (Friday, Saturday, Sunday). The group leader gave out the address of the person’s home. He told everyone to bring whatever tools we think we might need.

I gather a bunch of my tools and headed to the place Friday morning. At least 15 other people from my work showed up.

The place was very nice… a nice ranch home in a rural area. While I was busting out the old concrete steps using a sledge hammer, the homeowner came out to chat with us. He never said anything along the lines of “Thanks” or “I appreciate what you’re doing.” I said he had a nice place, and asked how much land he had. “We have 10 acres.”

*That *pissed me off. I knew for a fact the area he lived in had *very *high land values. I would estimate land sold for around $30K to $50K per acre in that area. Why couldn’t he sell a couple acres of land? He could then easily pay for someone to build a ramp. Here I am, busting my ass trying to build this guy a ramp, and he lived in a *much *nicer place than me. :mad:

Around noon some guy from the United Way drove up in his new Cadillac. I guess he was the project manager, and wanted to see the progress. He didn’t lift a finger to help, nor did he thank us.

After that experience, I never gave another fucking dime to the UW.

Girl Scouts runs on a school year schedule. By the time you hit the end of March - the school year has kicked into end of school year activities. You don’t get the GIRLS participation in the Spring - they are too busy with choir concerts and book reports. And in Spring the Girl Scouts themselves tend to be pretty busy - they have to finish their service work, if they are moving up they need to complete the requirements to bridge. The Councils need to shift into planning for girls to show up at camp in June. So Spring is pretty booked - for the organization, for the troops, and for the girls.

Fall is pretty ideal - weather is nice, the girls would like to fund the current year (young girls don’t really do well fiscally planning more than “this year.”) Back to school is less busy than the start. New troops are organizing, which would create a full year of non-funding because they’d miss the season - but by the time you collect the first cookie proceeds, you are almost at the end of the school year anyway (most first year troops fund themselves with dues and parent donations).

Quoth Exapno Mapcase:

No, the United Way doesn’t run 85%, since they’re just a middleman. Ultimately, they run 85% times whatever the percentage is of the charity they’re passing the money on to. No matter what the endpoint charity is, it’s always going to be significantly better to just donate to them directly. And even if 85% were the total, there are still plenty of good charities that make it up into the mid 90s.

Quoth Munch:

Ah, yes, where would all those poor people with a crippling shortage of seminars be, if it weren’t for the UW? Why, I know a family that’s gone without PowerPoint for a year-- However can they survive without such necessities?

Life is full of tough choices – I’ve heard of worse reasons for dropping out of school than to raise funds for Girl Scouts. :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyway, this spring I saw a girl scout cookie table where the adults were the ones doing ALL the work. There wasn’t a girl in sight. Come on people. Just say you are another cookie dealer and be done with it.

I wouldn’t have bought cookies from that troop. My girls were out on a bitter March day making change and handing people their cookies. I supervise and drink coffee.

Feeling that your job is threatened if you don’t play ball and act like a team player - would that do it? That’s what we’re talking about here.

ETA: I don’t mean that to be snarky at you - I am very disappointed in the United Way and their tactics and bitter about how companies let them get away with it instead of telling them to go fuck themselves.

That DOES seem to be really the exception for both organizations and the UW now a days - although I’ve been there - big rah-rah United Way drives. 100% participation. Auctions, buy a sticker to wear jeans…been there, done that. The implication that this shakedown was part of keeping your job.

Years ago I worked for a Sr. VP as his admin. I wrote out his Christmas cards, bought his wife jewelry for their anniversary, picked up his drycleaning - and I did his banking. We paid this guy over $1M a year by the time his bonuses and options were done. The executives were expected to donate at least 3% themselves AND they were expected to give up something “of significant value” for the auction (if they didn’t have any ideas, a month worth of their parking spot in the underground lot was volunteered for them). He wasn’t thrilled about this - he was probably less thrilled about this than many of us were/are.

Is there any evidence this is the exception rather than the norm? I know far more people who have had bad experiences with the UW in the workplace than good ones. But of course my experience is purely anecdotal as well.