Abstinence from Sexual Activity Until Marriage: Now U.S. Government Policy

Let’s just see how that works out for you later this year… :smiley:

Is anybody else a little creeped-out by the color scheme? The similarities to Homeland Security give me the willies.

Be thankful this curriculum doesn´t mention incubus and succubus. (what´s the plural of those anyway, incubae?)

Perfect. bup has found exactly what I was picturing:



A second activity further depicts the “steps to physical intimacy;” students are instructed to put the following ten cards, color-coded according to the level of caution required, in order:
Green:               Yellow:                     Orange:              Red:
Eye to body       Hand to hand           Hand to head     Hand to body (intimate 
                                                                                        touching)
Eye to eye         Hand to shoulder     Face to face        Sexual intercourse
Voice to voice    Hand to waist 
 


But this curriculum does NOT say that these activities are physically harmful.

They go on to offer the same criticisms that have been broached above:

Notwithstanding, Navigator apparently never makes the direct claim that masturbation in front of a partner, petting with clothes on, or a particularly good foot massage is a vector for STD transmission. Since we see that the curriculum DOES mention specifics, it’s hard for me to accept that the mere inference you want me to make is solid. The curriculum does not want us to believe that a foot massage can transmit STDs, does it? Yet that, too, falls into a broad reading of the ‘sexual stimulation’ phrase, as the cite itself points out. Sorry - if you want to condemn this program for teaching absolute inaccuracy, then you need more than this inference: you need to point to a statement that is itself unquestionably wrong.

I just remembered the latin lesson in “The Life of Brian”, it should be incubi and succubi. :smiley:

Did you catch the Hershey’s Kiss lesson plan, in which they suggest that once you start, you can’t stop? That’s the method they use for condemning deep kissing: it’s likely to lead to jigginess, and jigginess is likely to lead to problems.

Shayna’s cite is also very relevant, listing specific inaccuracies in these programs, including a program that suggests that mutual masturbation can get you pregnant.

Daniel

Condoms have warning labels. Dangerous things have warning labels. Therefore, condoms are dangerous. :eek:

Is anyone else horrified that they’re actually teaching kids that condoms are dangerous? :mad:

OK, Brick, I was missing the forest for the trees. You kept wanting specific stuff about what was sexual behavior and not.

Your conclusions are premature, however, because here’s more on The Navigator:

Emphasis added.

Unless the mutual masturbators are the same sex. Then it leads to AIDS.

OK, that’s not in there, but I think it’s true.

http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/abstinenceonlycontent.pdf

Is that enough for you?

Let’s look at the specifics:

So the curricula relies on a published report - one with which other published reports disagree. I don’t see a flat-out falsehood here. The curriculum reports Weller’s study correctly. This curriculum is obviously not presenting an unbiased and neutral report of all available data. BUT NEITHER ARE THEY LYING.

Sure. And the Weller study disagrees. So the curriculum reports one study and not the others. Biased? Sure. Outright falsehood? No.

I’d say yes, it is. It’s a lie by omission. If you use government money to tell folks about a controversial study, one which the federal government itself says is seriously flawed, and you don’t tell them that the study is controversial, that’s intentionally misleading. And it’s outrageous that tax dollars are going toward teaching children intentionally misleading information.

Daniel

One by one:

They are relying on the Weller study. A legitimate criticism is that the curricula is biased. But if they are truthfully reporting the Weller study, then they’re truthfully reporting the Weller study.

And are the curricula discussing only abortions in the United States?

Well, you got me there.

But I’m willing to bet the authors would be agreeable to amending their materials to reflect 23 chromosones. Still, I agree that this is an outright falsehood.

You’re right. I agree with you.

Bricker, LHoD already addressed your first point to me, and you agreed with him, so I’ll leave it at that.

You aren’t seriously asking that question, are you? They aren’t “discussing” abortions, period. They’re scaring impressionable young children who live in the United States, and who, if they were to ever consider an abortion, would likely seek one in the United States, with outright falsehoods about what could happen to them if they do so, knowing full well that they’d be getting one in the United States, not some Third World country without modern medical techniques. Besides which, I only quoted the condensed summary for that section. If you read further to page 17 of the .pdf (page 13 of the report), you’ll see that they’re misusing information that is more than 30 years outdated. Yet another lie by omission that you conceded above was outrageous to use tax dollars to teach.

You and your betting. No thanks. How about I pull a Bricker and ask you to demonstrate that since this report was issued over a year ago, which grant recipients who use that particular curricula have actually changed it.

But it’s not just that they made a typo or a simple, correctable error. They give further scientifically inacurate information such as

Want some more?

You don’t find that outrageous?

I won’t even get into all the bullshit stereotypes they teach, but there’s more factually incorrect information as well, such as. . .

This is really, really dangerous misinformation to poison children’s minds with. It’s not just that they lie to children that sex can cause heart disease and stroke, which is in itself false, but children who take this course now believe they won’t be at risk for chlamydia-related heart disease or strokes if they simply avoid sexual intercourse. That’s a contemptible lie to tell!

You may have lost track of what was being contended. Did their comments cross into outright falsehood? If you have to posit what they “know full well,” then it doesn’t. It’s a sleazy trick worthy of a used-car salesman, sure.

And I agree that such tactics are also an inappropriate and unwise use of tax dollars.

Perhaps they are worried that a child will accidentally suffocate themselves with the improper use of a condom? :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m surprised nobody brought up my favourite. HIV can be spread by sweat and tears, well, at least according to Bill Frist. He sorta backpedalled on ABC’s This Week with George Stephanopoulos though.

It was my favourite Daily Show topic, and also my favourite Lewis Black rant. I think it outlines just how rediculous some of the “facts” that come out of Abstinence Only Education can be.

“Teaching of factually incorrect info” became “outright falsehood.” I think we’ve well demonstrated “teaching of factually incorrect info.”

I’m arguing from intellectual honesty, so I’ll also throw this out (best info I could find):

Condom sales up 25% 1994-2004

Some STD’s up (Chlamydia up 100%!) 1995-2005, some down
I can’t determine if STD rates overall have gone up. I’m really surprised, though, I have to admit. I thought there’d be a very direct correlation evident, even if incidence of sex has increased too.

Well see now this is why every sex ed course should teach kids that the condom goes on the OTHER head.