As I thought I clearly stated, it doesn’t.
Well, you did say that the one is the clear implication of the other.
Do you realize the implications of what you’ve discovered? This could mean that religious people are capable of ignoring certain passages in their most revered texts, and of interpreting other passages to mean what they want them to mean!! This could blow the lid off religion, man! Do you realize you’re playing with dynamite here???
No man can effect the plan of God, so the lineage was what it was intended to be before God founded creation.
I would not say never, God has used adultery to His advantage several times, what He is against is spiritual adultery, and from the NT the Law is spiritual.
Your cite is your own post:
Here you quote scriptures accurately, but here you make the error:
David is commander of the army, and the Lord’s anointed King of Israel, And gives Uriah a free pass and also a direct command to be with his wife from his king, Uriah does not refuse outright but decides to stay and sleep on the palace steps. Uriah disobeyed the Lord’s anointed King (something King David would not do with Saul), and disobeyed a direct order for the King - this is not a good soldier and not a good husband. Right here, if there was a good marriage, and Bathsheba knew this how would she feel?
Yes, this goes into David departing from trusting the Lord, and into sin from this point, up till this point David was in the will of the Lord.
Don’t doubt true love, a love that was meant to be before the creation of the world, with Bathsheba just getting trapped in a ungodly marriage that the Lord needed to take care of, though David did instead.
Yes again David took matters into his one hands and murdered Uriah, which is what God charges David with.
Bathsheba was not only married to the King, and given children, but also mother to the King, he status was greatly increased.
David was human, with human flaws, yet because David Loved God, God was able to use even David’s flaws to His glory.
The adultery was a act of Love, not lust, was always intended, God arranged David viewing Bathsheba knowing exactly what would happen between them and wanted it as evident by the blessing that was only removed because of the murder of Uriah.
I didn’t say Jesus said, or even implied, that “you never see each other again,” or “you have no relationship whatever.” I said he pretty clearly implied that your relationship as married people is over. I think the distinction between the relationship between husbands and wives, and the relationships between friends, coworkers, neighbors, etc., is pretty clear.
I realize that is no problem for theologians, but I have trouble understanding how people who read the Bible every day can be oblivious to it. Believing in things with little or no evidence is one thing, but this is a matter of ignoring a perfectly clear statement from their Lord and Savior.
Very funny. Where were you a month or two ago, when people were raking me over the coals for saying religious people were irrational?
I don’t know the answer to that one, but take it from me, when you’re slamming religious people for irrationality and prr doesn’t speak up for you, it’s a fair hint you need to dial it back a notch.
Because “meeting the people you love again” doesn’t imply “having again the same relationship you had with them”. If Heaven exists and I happen to meet my Abuelito there, I sure hope our relationship won’t be that of an old man dying of cancer with his toddler granddaughter!
Then who wrote it? What is his or her name, or names? Do we have even a single book with a 100% verified authorship?
Muhammad was no one special with God, he is not the only one to talk to angels, so faith has it’s own ‘proof’ when one meets God (or His angels) face to face. But your right, it’s not proof in the scientific sense, though proof in the scientific sense doesn’t matter, because you actually can meet God in person, and that’s how He wants it.
The child was a blessing, taken back by God. David was content to let Bathsheba go back to her own house and that’s what happened, Bathsheba was the one to return to David.
David murdered Uriah because David was trying to manipulate the circumstance so as the child would not appear illegitimate.
The one question that I see no answer for is: If the sun is not going to give it’s light etc. and the world is not going to exist, then there will be no place for the meek to inherit, and no one knows where heaven is,if a spirit is invisible, and the soul is invisible what difference does it make?
People centuries ago and even some now think that Heaven is above the clouds, but we have pictures of places so far into space it would take at the speed of light( almost an eternity) to reach past them. So heaven as I see it doesn’t exist except in the mind of one’s belief.
David and Bathsheba continued from above:
Re: the marital situation between Uriah and Bathsheba
Uriah had not one opportunity to visit his wife, but two. King David ordered Uriah to spend a night home and repeated that for a second night. The house of Uriah and Bathsheba was very close to the palace where Uriah spent the nights sleeping on the palace steps, close enough so that David could see the form of Bathsheba on her roof enough to know that David wanted to meet with her. So the distance perhaps between the Palace and the home of Uriah and Bathsheba could not be more then 1000 ft, most likely a lot less.
What does that say for the marriage between the two? Being so close, given a direct order from the King, given 2 opportunities to do so, yet Uriah choosing not to even visit her.
I want to tie this in to the story of the woman caught in the act of adultery in John 8. The Pharisees are the ones who caught her and dragged her away and wished to stone her. Jesus many times identified the Pharisees as the sons of the devil, (not the messengers of God ever). Jesus (God’s representative) stated outright that He does not condemn her, Jesus dispels the accusers (who are the devil’s representatives).
This ends with Jesus saying to the woman “Go now and leave your life of sin.” (Jn 8:10b). Many people would assume that that means not to commit adultery, though Jesus states leaving a life of sin, this represents something much more then a single act. Her life of sin very well could be a improper marriage, in other words leave your marriage, it’s not working, and be with the one you love.
Jesus really could not outright say that because He was under the Law, and would lose much of His audience when the Pharisees went around proclaiming that Jesus was advocating adultery and the breaking of the marital vow. So the wording He used satisfied both the unspiritual (fulfilling the law) and the spiritual (following the path of Love in their hearts).
God does not condemn for physical adultery, I have never found anywhere where He has condemn a person for it and love leading to sex and children is part of His plan (be fruitful and multiply - the very first and only command). Only the devil wants to stop adultery - because if a person marries the wrong person they are blocked by the marital contract from being with the right person that God wants.
The way of God, is the way that Jesus taught, it was to follow God, to trust in God and go wherever it leads. God is Love, so that means also to follow Love, trust in Love and go wherever Love leads. This is ‘the way’ that Jesus spoke about and what the earlier followers called their faith. Trusting in Love/God is not what David did, trusting in Love/God is exactly what the woman caught did, and though it took her to the edge of death, God saved her.
Are you referring to the same Jesus that said divorce is not permissible except for unfaithfulness, or is this a different Jesus you’re talking about?
What a crock! I’m married and am in love with my husband - what if I fell in love with some other guy, though? Should I go ahead and divorce my husband and marry him? Or should I just marry 'em both? Gotta follow the “path of love” and all … :rolleyes:
I guess it was the devil that came up with the whole “thou shalt not commit adultery” commandment, then? And here I was thinking God set forth those commandments, who knew?
I’m not sure what God you’re talking about but the one I know is perfectly capable of making things work even when someone veers off course a little bit. This is why there are provisions for believers who marry unbelievers, for example. The book makes it very clear that the believer is not to divorce their spouse, but if their spouse leaves, they’re free to remarry as long as it’s to another believer. The book does not, however, permit someone to leave their spouse just because they’re feeling all sparkly about someone else.
Whether you want to live this way is up to you, totally your choice - but what God expects of marriage couldn’t be written more clearly.
Yahweh resurrects 1d6 Investigators per round. No save.
If one compares Pauls description of Love, then God doesn’t qualify, Love is described as self seeking, etc. It is contrary to John’s,and John isn’t necessarily right! John was just a human like any other, so to him it may have seemed like God was Love, but that doesn’t make it so. John described himself as the apostle that Jesus loved, and Jesus must have loved the others as well. A strange way in our times for a man to describe another, If a man said that now he would be thought of as Gay!
If you do not consider your self as Christian , then why do you use a Christian book as your guide to life?
In truth, it is what some human said that God said or expected, it is a matter of belief in a human idea. There are many translations of the Bible and even Jesus made exceptions to the laws.
Very simple, God will make a new one for us:
It helps when your daddy is the creator of the universe.
Yes! the same, unfaithfulness is spiritual adultery as shown is Esra 9-10 where God told a whole tribe of Israel to divorce their wives because those wives were with other gods - that is the unfaithfulness spoken of - unfaithfulness towards God.
Love is a living and guiding spirit, as Love is God, do you follow God, if so you have to follow Love, it is not a blind path, it is very intelligent and will not lead you wrong ever. This is trusting in God, as God is Love.
God did give the law (through angels) but as a mediator (see Job 1 and 2 as God meditated between Satan and Job) - that’s what the law is, Satan’s wants for humanity but mediated by God (to make it less harsh), and God only allows the law because He knew that Jesus would make the way of grace.
[QUOTE= Gal 3]
19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
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Jesus took away the sting of the Law, and nailed the law to a tree (both scriptural)
Again I point you to Esra 9 and 10, where God commands divorce, the wives had no intention of leaving. It was God’s people who had to initiate and carry through with the divorce.
If you understand this profound mystery:
[QUOTE=Eph 5]
31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[a] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.
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You would not have stated that in the context you did, if you don’t understand that profound mystery then your statement is false, marriage is not clearly defined to you. That one statement defines marriage more then most every other scriptural passage about marriage except Gen 2
The short answer is it’s the book that was given to me by God as the book I was to use and learn from.
The longer answer is when I started to seek God, I did it through what I knew, Christianity, so from there I started, read the Bible, prayed, attended churches. From there I was being taught by God but also by men (the church people). As I studied further and God started to reveal Himself in my life more and make things clear, I started to see what was of the preacher and what was of God.
The Word of God, through the Bible, had provided a anchor for my soul to discern truth from lies. It also revealed a parallel spiritual world that operated along side our world, but it was much more revealing and useful in understanding things in our world.
I believe there are many text of inspired wisdom, I have seen some, Wiccan, Native American, and I know there are many more, but for me the Bible is the book of inspired wisdom that I was taught from and that God decided was to be my path. Will their be other books and sources for me? Yes there already has been, but the one you start on will be a very powerful tool and one to be referred back too over and over again.
I don’t really consider myself a Christian because that is the religion that Paul created, it is very different then what Jesus taught. I do believe that Christianity that we have today is a mix of Grace of Christ and Jewish law that Paul was saturated with (the 2 married into on as in Eph 5:31,32), which is exactly who Paul is until Paul’s death and Jesus’ victory in over Paul. I believe the only reason we have Christianity in it’s current form today was to save Paul, that is the length that God is willing to go to to save a single person, creation of a religion that lasts 1000’s of years.
If the Holy Spirit was the father of Jesus, then he would not be related to David, or (any of the linage of Solomon),Matthew takes the linage through Joesph. So, if that is true then Jesus was not related to either. Only Mary’s line.
There is proof that everything ever written was written by a human being. Even the believers aren’t sure, but they do credit some to Moses, and some to other people. They Just believe it was inspired by God. The onus is on you to prove God wrote it, inspired it etc..
Could your Satan fooled people into thinking, God said or did something.?
You, as I have stated many times before, have the right to your personal beliefs, but beliefs if they are yours, mine, or any one’s they are just beliefs until proven otherwise.
You have your own intrepretation of things,but others have theirs,it is what one wants to believe, to make things come out (in their minds) to continue the belief.
It makes no sense to me that a supreme being would act as your God is supposed to act. He kills a whole town of people because they are immoral, but makes another immoral man King of his people!