EasyPhil, just to make sure we’re on the same reality plane here, even assuming Adam Schiff is the lyingest liar ever to lie and even assuming that the FBI lied their asses off when saying why they wanted the Carter Page surveillance, none of that is actually relevant to the question of whether Trump committed impeachable acts, right?
Since impeachment isn’t a criminal inquiry, there really is no “fruit of the poisoned tree” concept, no getting off on technicalities. The evidence is there and is impeachable and removable or it isn’t. It doesn’t matter where it came from. Agreed?
If the president were removed, either through impeachment or through the election, we could have a discussion on whether this evidence is admissible in a criminal trial. I think it would be, because I think you’re wrong on the facts, but there’s at least a discussion to be had. However, this isn’t a criminal trial.
My opinion is that the president committed impeachable offenses and should be removed from office. I imagine you disagree.
However, I think we should agree that where the evidence came from, at this point, is not relevant to the impeachment question. Agreed?
Yes, he penned the memo two years ago in response to the Nunes memo. Both Schiff and Nunes have access to the same information because their both on the Intelligence Committee. Get yourself educated, you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
I agree with you on that, but I just wanted to make sure we’re working with the same premises here. The premise is that none of this matters as to whether the president should be impeached or not. That is, how the evidence was obtained and who is heading the intelligence committee is irrelevant to the question of impeachment.
Agreed?
These threads might be interesting for historical purposes (doubtful, but possible?), but the subjects have nothing to do with the vote that the House will be taking this week and the evidence that the Senate should consider in their trial.
I’m not asking you whether the president should be impeached. That is surely a question for another thread. I’m asking whether you agree on the basic points above. I ask because you’re working really hard to show something in these threads, and I’m not sure why unless you think these questions are relevant for the impeachment proceedings. I think they are not. What do you think?
It’s always important to know as much about the players as you can which can give you some insight into what they “might” be thinking. Schiff has shown himself to be a liar but is a better attack dog than Nadler hence the impeachment hearing took place in the house intelligence committee and not the house judicial committee. Schiff is clearly biased, he claimed to have evidence of “collusion” which nobody ever saw and he wrote a memo disputing the Nunes memo which we know see was inaccurate thanks to the IG Report. We also now see Schiff claiming he didn’t know about the information brought to light in the IG Report until now which isn’t true because he had access to the same intelligence information as Nunes. The Nunes memo is in accord with the IG Report findings, the Schiff memo which sought to discredit the Nunes memo is not in accord with the IG Report.
No I haven’t primarily because it’s all theater and Trump will not be removed from office. The impeachment process pretty much cements his victory in 2020.