Yeah, but mine included the video (and your post left out the “You’re fascinating to talk to”), which is necessary to appreciate the total awkwardness of the situation.
Hey, at least you finally declared your standard out loud.
For my own part I don’t demand proof that the woman is lying, but I feel that if an impartial assessment of the facts doesn’t lend a fairly high level of doubt to the woman’s claims, they should be taken seriously.
So far I haven’t heard anything that reduces the credibility of this woman’s claim. Certainly Trump’s statements on this subject have no credibility whatsoever, given what we know about him.
She also had a TV show at the time.
Get back to us when somebody produces a kid claiming to have been held prisoner in the basement of a pizza joint that doesn’t even have a basement.
No, it is a fishy story, as you well know.
Regards,
Shodan
The two women Carroll says she told about the attack at the time speak out and corroborate her story:
This probably won’t mean anything to people who don’t particularly value fighting against sexual assault and rape (or at least don’t value it as much as fighting liberals), but I’m hopeful that I’m wrong about some of the posters in this thread and they’re just posting without thinking.
Well, you know what Maya Angelou said, “when someone shows you who they are 39,000 times over the course of 19 years, believe them.”
And at some point, you have to ask “why didn’t this come out 20 years ago?”
Hell I think he’s a pig. And I don’t like the guy. But what took her 20 frick’n years to come forward? Why now? And why has this woman been assaulted by so many men?
No one is condoning rape or assault. But it’s pretty f’ing hard to prove a negative, and it’s really hard to prove a negative 20 years later. At some point, you’ve allowed your opportunity at outrage pass.
Having horrible taste in men does not excuse or give men license to be horrible.
Why would you ask this? It should be very clear to you that even now, telling the authorities about rape and sexual assault is extremely dangerous for women, only occasionally resulting in a positive outcome (i.e. justice), with a very high risk of humiliation, social shaming, and further trauma. Twenty years ago it was much, much worse. And against a powerful, wealthy man?
Are you joking, or were you really ignorant of this?
For most people, and especially women, it is really hard to come out and say you’ve been sexually assaulted. Can you get your head around that? There are so many stigmas there that only the brave, the broken or the desperate come out right away and make a public claim.
OK, then how about a House investigation into what is it now, all 22 credible sexual assault accusations against Trump?
I’m sure you wouldn’t object to separating the wheat from the chaff.
This.
Plus the conviction rate on rape charges is astonishingly low. Hell, the indictment rate is astonishingly low. In a situation like Ms. Carroll describes, it’s her word against his - hardly a ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ level of evidence: what prosecutor is going to indict?
Women know this. They know that in situations like this, there will be no justice, just an adding-on to the trauma they’ve already been through. So what’s the point in coming forward, until they see their attacker becoming someone whose name they can’t avoid, reminding them all the time of what they went through?
I understand your emotional dedication to Trumpism, but there is no element of the story that’s hard to believe.
Trumpists come in two categories; those who just engage in cognitive dissonance to pretend he’s not what he obviously is, and those who actually LIKE the fact he’s a monster - the “as long as he hurts the right people” crowd, if you will. There are no other Trumpists; all are one of those two types. But there’s no doubt at all he’s a monster; no one, save maybe his kids, really believes he’s not.
We only need those for consensual bj’s.
It’s so weird how posters like Shodan can put effort into thoughtful and reasonable posts on a variety of topics, but then something like this comes out and all he can do is mindlessly denigrate a woman for doing nothing more than talking about something that happened to her. Are you deliberately turning off a switch that turns you into knee-jerk mode? Is it really that much more important to fight liberals than to fight rape and sexual assault that you’d so gleefully abandon even the possibility of thoughtfulness and compassion towards a possible rape victim?
Like Christine Blasey Ford, E. Jean Carroll’s allegation is very vague. You know why? Because the moment she puts a specific date, Trump is going to produce evidence he wasn’t even in the area when she claims it happened. Trump was the King of New York. He every movement is probably documented in some way. Why doesn’t Ms. Carroll give a specific date? Because she is lying.
“Carroll places the ensuing incident in late 1995 or early 1996, during which time Trump was married to Marla Maples.”
Sometimes things bear repeating:
Only question, LAZombie, is which one are you?
E. Jean Carroll is an author who writes about herself constantly, but in this case, she forgot to write down the date of this horrific event? I think not.