Advice on dealing with teenager's professed religious belief

Well duh. If you were making up a fairy tale about a magical, all-powerful God and prophets and all the other B.S. that goes with it, you wouldn’t want people to test it either. That’s kinda the point of blind faith.

He’s thirteen, which means that Saturn The Master Of Spirituality is in opposition to its position on his birth chart. What did you expect? This kind of thing always happens around that age.

(I kid!)

True, just like ‘4’ isn’t the only answer to ‘2 + 2 = ?’.

Make him watch Notre Dame football… he will quickly see the ill of his ways.

Not to be a nitpicker or anything, but 2 + 2 = 4… in base 10. There are other correct answers. :wink:

There is only one way, tried and true. You must get him to confess the wrongness of his thinking under torture, and then burn him at the stake to save his “not soul”.

It’s the only way.

Excellent! :smiley:

Seriously. You’ve been around here long enough to have seen the threads excoriating religion. If you need some reminders, do a search for magical sky pixie, or invisible pink unicorn.

Although if your position is that it’s unfortunate that (some) dopers try to have reasonable discourse with ideas they disagree with, I’m not sure I can get behind that. And believe me, you’re preaching to the choir (heh) on the religion thing with me.

What a shitty parody. Of course you would have been ridiculed, you asstard. It’s not because people bend over backward for religionists, though. It’s because the OP you’re theoretically parodying was a thoughtful, respectful post whereas this one is militant and hateful. I mean, suppose we take it seriously. “Appalled”? “Compell”? That’s an asshole talking.

Aside from the few militant partisans on the board, for most people here it’s not about what beliefs you hold or don’t hold. It’s about how civil and respectful you are. You’re putting a confrontational attitude into your OP that isn’t present in the IMHO one. That’s what people would respond to.

Offer him $500 to shut up about it.

But you have to let him welsh on the deal if he has second thoughts.

So, let me get this straight: a guy who, in that other thread, self-identifies as

is described by you as, not only a “religious type,” but a “religious obnoxious, officious nutball.” And you’re upset that the SDMB isn’t showing sufficient hostility toward him. Really?

This needs to be repeated. From the OP of the original thread

and

This OP gives atheists a bad rep.

prr, is there any chance you had a bad experience as a teenager “coming out” as an atheist to your own parents, and you’re projecting that onto the thread in question rather than taking it at face value?

I’m happy whenever people are kind, considerate, and polite to anybody. It doesn’t happen enough, IMO, especially on message boards.

Rather than complain that we were not rude enough to the OP, you should complain that we are too rude to the people “on the other foot”.

Shoot and kill the poor kid now for it’ll be better he’s dead than to grow up to be a raging asshole like you are.

Still feel appreciating ?

Of course he’s a religious, obnoxious, officious nutball–in the passage you quote from he admits that “I do believe in God” and further admits that when he’s not thinking about his childish belief in some foolish sky pixie, he’s been avoiding “admitting to [him]self” that such thinking is absurd. But that’s just him, and I wouldn’t have bothered with him if he’d limited his OP to his own dumbass self—his OP is devoted to asking for help in meddling with the beliefs of another person, his son. My advice, given early and firmly in that thread, was STFU and MYOB, and I’m critical of those Dopers who offered enabling advice suggesting that he may indulge in actions not quite so extreme as those I’ve suggested.

Unless he’s willing to accept his son as an autonomous thinker (by SingTFU and MingHOB), then what he’s asking for IS advice on how to compell his son to be religious and IS expressing extreme disapproval (“appalled” in my version) of his son’s autonomy. Who the fuck does he think he is in seeking to influence another person’s belief system? It never works, for one thing, and is morally disgusting for another, especially coming from a mixed-up muddlehead who seems to switch his own religious thinking every time a light switch goes off in his field of vision. People believe what they want to believe–so leave them to do their own thinking, and keep your own stupid thoughts to yourself. The only way to influence someone to think the way you’d like them to is to live a life that they’ll want to emulate, and if they ask, explain what your core principles are so they can emulate them better. Apart from that, you have zero influence on what people think.

For those champing at the bit to accuse me of hypocrisy here, btw, let me point out that I have never tried to persuade anyone to embrace atheism–never did, never will. I couldn’t care less what you believe, though of course I may hold you in contempt if you belief in silly shit that most intelligent five-year-olds have questioned and most intelligent ten year olds have rejected on intellectual bases, and I may admire if you think for yourself. But there are enough freethinking sorts for me to associate with, so I have no need for more atheists at this time, and as explained, converting people’s thinking (towards rationality and understanding, certainly) is just about impossible. My advice to the OP in the other thread would be to consider the log in his own eye before condeming the speck in his son’s eye, but hey, that’s just me.

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I have never tried to persuade anyone to embrace atheism–never did, never will. I couldn’t care less what you believe, though of course I may hold you in contempt if you belief in silly shit that most intelligent five-year-olds have questioned and most intelligent ten year olds have rejected on intellectual bases…
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Ridiculing a opposing view this way is an attempt to persuade, prr, and so is the clumsy parody essayed in the OP. So what the God, huh?

You seen to have an expressible argument. Go where the dispute is and make it. What’s this hypocritical crap for?