So far, it was only Fitz who said Inhuman. I wonder how Gordon & friends will take to that? Are they really going to call themselves Inhumans? How un-PC.
The new SHIELD seems much more reactionary when it comes to superhumans than the old SHIELD (or Coulson’s outfit) is. The dickhead with the treebranch stuck in his torso was using real bullets against Skye, despite Bobbi’s orders, and I think his men were doing the same thing. That wasn’t a capture mission, it was a kill mission - and that’s likely going to drive Bobbi to switch back to Coulson’s side.
I wonder if there’s a plan to have a more antagonistic SHIELD in the movies, and this is the setup so that the characters in Agents of… aren’t made out to be bad guys.
I do appreciate how Simmons outsmarted Bobbi though. “Here, hold this. [zap!]”
Yeah, why jump Coulson and co instead of just reaching out and telling Coulson "No. you’re not the Director’ (and then, who is?). And why hang out with your fucking thumb up your ass and let Coulson & co take down HYDRA (and lose some good agents) all by their lonesome?
This* is* totally pulled out of their ass.:mad: It’s like having a murder mystery solved by “It was the Invisible man all along” when there’s been no indication there is such a thing as Invisibility. Bad writing. Terrible writing.
Gonzales doesnt seem much for thinking things out, and has poor judgement. He has cojones, sure, but no wisdom.
I didnt see that, how do you know they were real bullets?
They went Bang! Bang! when the Icers go Pew! Pew!
And Agent Dickhead Treebranch was seen checking his real gun right after Bobbi said “Icers only.”
Right after Bobbi said to use ICERs, they focused in on that UAG cocking his gun and it didn’t look like the ICER guns. When the other guy attacked Skye it certainly sounded like actual bullets, not ICERs. I think the implication was pretty clear that they were willing to kill her, not capture. And they appeared to shoot first, ask questions later.
Well, ICER guns look kinds of sci-fi-ish. Agent Dickhead and the SHIELD mook were holding things that looked like real-world guns. And they made “bang” noises like real guns do on this show, not the more zappy noises the ICERs make. And during the big slow motion scene where Skye is blasting them both backwards, you can pretty clearly see that the bullet headed towards her is a standard slug, not a fancy silver-and-blue tipped knockout bullets the ICERs fire.
If you look closely, you could see Skye deflecting an actual bullet.
I agree with most of this–but not that they’d be so callow about Coulson’s SHIELD losing people. I think it was more–stay out off their way while they are fighting a legitimate and mutual threat in Hydra. Now Hydra is incapacitated for a bit they will make their move. Like discussed in previous threads it doesn’t make any sense for the world governments to have just said regarding SHIELD “shrug, whatever”
NuSHIELD is the real SHIELD for all intents and purposes to those that have the power–that’s why they have a carrier and quinjets.
I do agree that the flashback was unnecessary.
I think that’s backwards - they have the carrier and quinjets because that’s how they started out, not because they were given them.
Like MrDibble said, they have the carrier and quinjets because they had always had them from before the SHIELD breakdown. As far as any official recognition goes, Coulson’s team is recognized as SHIELD by the U.S. Military and the U.S. Government and I’m pretty sure his team has also had direct contact with other world leaders since the SHIELD breakdown- at the very least there was the Belgian Ambassador to the United Nations that their team contacted to protect him before they realized he was Hyrda.
I think Gonzalashield has up to now considered it their primary mission to observe (and stay hidden from) Coulson’s operations. They were waiting until they had enough information before stepping in- it was only a few episodes ago that Mac got the schematics of the base (under the pretense of strictly applying quarantine after Puerto Rico), and it was only just about that time that he has located Fury’s toolbox.
Gonzalashield needed all this in order to be able to just walk in and take over Coulson’s operation. If he trusted Coulson enough to have a conversation about it, he could have contacted him much sooner. For a take-over, however, he had to wait until he could go in with the upper hand.
The episode may have addressed this and I missed it but the Flashback confused me some because when we first meet Bobbi she was embedded in Hydra. The show implied it was Coulson who did this. I am not sure how the timeline works if she is with Second Shield so early on. So she was a spy for Second Shield under Coulson, he embeds her into Hydra. If she was in Hydra should wouldn’t have been able to keep an eye on Coulson…I am not sure how this would all work.
Hey, if normal people knew how spies worked, spies would be out of work!
Yeah, it’s confusing. Bobbi & Mac must have rejoined Shield (undercover) immediately after they took the ship. Meanwhile, Xena & Hunter formed a freelance merc team that Coulson conveniently hired to help out.
Bobbi, Mac, and Xena were all infiltrating Coulson’s org. Bobbi told Hunter that it was Xena’s idea to bring in Hunter as a freelancer once they were embedded in Coulson’s team, which is why he didn’t know about the double cross.
I agree with pretty much all of this. However, I think the writers pretty much had no other choics: they need a SHIELD to be behind the drive towards registration/detention of enhanced people, and they can’t use Coulson and his gang, since they’re already far too sympathetic, so they pulled the ‘real SHIELD’—crap.
Which really doesn’t seem like such a smart idea, does it? Hey, we’re infiltrating a covert team of super spies on account of another covert team of super spies. Let’s bring in someone unrelated, but with whom we all have a personal history, and not tell him anything while we go around acting suspiciously!
Bobbi said they didn’t expect him to stick around. I’m guessing it was Coulson’s idea to hire some temp muscle, and went to Xena for recommendations. She picked Hunter because he’s pretty mercenary, and seemed unlikely to develop any personal loyalty to Coulson and his group. Probably would have worked, too, if Xena hadn’t gotten herself killed, which got Hunter personally invested in taking down Hydra, and drew him further into Coulson’s orbit.
This also has an advantage that Hunter looks sketchy as hell most of the time, so any suspicious thoughts of double-agentry would be directed at him instead.
This also works well to explain why Gonzalez didn’t reveal his organization to Talbot. “Talbot wants to take down Shield? Okay… there’s one over there…”