Airport Security - I feel so much safer

What is the point of the airport security droids anyway?

This morning in Philadelphia, at a slack period, I go thru the security checkpoint. By carry-on is being x-rayed, and there’s some pointing and conversation taking place. The x-rayers call over to another security person, who is deeply engaged in some very non-security conversation with somebody, and she’s really annoyed that her small talk is interrupted by a passenger’s bag. She asks me if this bag is mine, I say yes.

Now, my approach to these situations is to follow their instructions, answer their questions, don’t offer any additional info or small talk, definitely do not make jokes, and then move on. She tells me to carry my bag over to this table. (Is this how it’s done in security-school? When you suspect someone of carrying a weapon, and they know it, you should always ask them to carry it around for you?)

Then she says, and I quote - “You don’t have no knife in here, do you?”

And understand this- she’s still trying to carry on the chit chat with her friend when she says this, in between sentences. She doesn’t even look at me.

In my over-mathematical mind, I think, “It is not correct to say that it is not the case that this bag contains no knife” But I decide against it.

Then I remember, I have a Leatherman in my bag - stuck way down at the bottom, in a shoe. (A Leatherman is a multi-purpose tool with screwdrivers, saws, files, pliers, etc. that you can wear on your belt. I always travel with it, and sometimes it arouses suspicion, but I’ve never had any trouble.) The thing is, a Leatherman also has a couple of nasty-looking knife blades that must be right on the edge (so to speak) of being legal (and probably aren’t) for air travel. I do not want to pull it out and wave it around.

I consider my answer for a second, and start to say “I have a Leatherman in there”, but I can see that I’m taking up way too much of this security-droid’s time. She interrupts me with another question about knives, but I can’t understand it, because now we’re both talking at the same time, and she’s still trying to listen to her friend (they’re talking in some sort of afro-philly dialect that I can’t even understand).

When I do get her attention, I say slowly “There’s a Leatherman in there - do you know what that is?”

She says, and I quote, “That’s what I’m saying”

That’s what you’re saying? I haven’t understood a fucking word you’re saying!

She then does this thing that I’ve seen these guardians of air piracy do before. She unzips my bag, and inserts her fingers maybe up to the second knuckle, and sweeps them thru the bag. I don’t believe she even touched the contents, and definitely didn’t look for “no knife”. She hands me the bag, and I get the hell out of there.

What the fuck kind of search is that? Why are you wasting my time with this crap?

What a waste.

I needed to move over a button because my pants were too tight (shit did I have to admit that). I didn’t have any small scissors, but I put a knife in my doop kit. I got thru the security here at home, but on the way back they caught the knife and I had to leave it. They were actually quite nice about it. Anyway now we don’t have a full set of steak knives.

Every time I’ve flown in the past 4 years (probably twice a year on average), I’ve taken one of these with me.
I don’t even attempt to hide it, as it’s on my keychain.

I put it in the bowl before the metal detector, and take it out after they determine that yes, it was my boots that set off the detector. I have never once been questioned about it.

Man I feel your pain. I don’t think there really is a reason for stopping anyone at those things.

My example is this: My S.O. is diabetic and has an insulin pump. It looks like a pager but is attached to her body via a plastic tube. Everytime we go through the airport, it goes something like this:
Airport Security: “Please take off cell phone” (if we are lucky it is in English and not gibberish).
S.O.: “It’s not a cell phone it’s an insulin pump.”
AS: “Take off cell phone”
S.O.: “It’s an I.N.S.U.L.I.N. P.U.M.P., I can’t take it off, it’s attached to my body.”
AS: “Take off cell phone”
Me: “Listen, chummly, it’s not a cell phone. Look at the damn thing”
S.O.: “Go, go go”
I mean…what if it really was a dreaded cell phone bomb or gun like they think it is? Just a few lines of disagreement and me being a mild prick gets us through? It makes me wonder about how easy it would be for a real criminal to get through that shit.

Tony

well, lets test airport security- see how hard it would be for someone to sneak an explosive device on to a plane…

now…

who would be crazy enough to take this ‘cell phone’ on the plane?

oh i know!

hey J.E.T., get over here!

{boom!}

[sub] i always knew that airport security was inferior…

And I saw things that made me not wanna fly for a long time.

I saw one of the security people take a blow gun…things about 4 feet long mind you…and put it on the Xray machine belt. It even had the little darts stuck in it.

As the passengers were walking away, I casually walked up and asked “Why did you just let them carry that blowgun onto the sterile concourse?” The guy gets a horrified look on his face, and runs off after them. He comes back a couple of minutes later with the passenger and a couple of Undercover cops.

A Woman that worked there pulls a bag off the conveyer, so that she can search it. She saw some kind of wire on the xray and she just was curious as to what it was. She totally missed the handgun and box of shells that were in the same bag, until the passenger pointed them out to her.

Another security guy pulls the bag out of the machine(if you see a gun you were supposed to stop the belt, pretend the machine was broken, and call the cops), takes the gun out of the bag and hands to the passenger to hold on too while he waits for the cops(it was loaded, even). The cop shows up and just about shits himself. He ripped the security guy a new one after it was all over.

My favorite. A rocket scientist at the counter in Oklahoma checks a wooden box as baggage clearly marked as containing Dynamite(it didnt anymore, it was full of antique tools). It makes it all the way to Texas, where it is discovered by baggage handlers transfering luggage. They run like hell, and the bomb squad is called. They clear out the terminal, carefully drag the thing up to the xray machine in the terminal, and xray the box…which contains a crap load of metal tools…which just show up black on the xray. the poor guy(the passenger who checked it), didnt get out of the airport unitl something like 16 hours later.

Texas, buy the way, lead the nation at the time for finding handguns. We got at least one per week in our terminal alone. I found several in the short time I worked there(I thought it would be a good job for a student. Its not for a student with ADD. I was bored out of my mind most of the time, and was really hopeing to find something.

A radio talk show host here in Atlanta often talks about what a joke the airport security is. HE’s told this story several times, but I can’t find anywhere on the web to validate it. Oh well – this is the pit, so if you want a site, you can check in my ass.

He ANNOUNCED, on his radio show, that he was going to the airport tomorrow (this was ~15 years ago), and that he would get a gun through security. The head of airport security called into the show and said that there is no way he would be able to, and he would be arrested on the spot. He told the head of security that the “security” at the airport was a total farce, and basically, “you just try and stop me”.

He went to the airport the next day, and he did get a gun through. He promptly went up to a security officer, told him what he had just done, and he was arrested.

Like I said, I can’t find proof of his story. I had an all access badge in the Atlanta airport (access to runway, and all other restriced airport areas) for a job I had about 5 years ago, and I have no problem believing it. The shit you see there will really make you not want to fly at all.

It could be worse… they could have given you an anal cavity search 'cuz of the Leatherman.

I can see it now… they’ve got the prod, and they’re pokin’ around, and she says, “You ain’t got no knife in THERE, either?”

I have no problem believing that he could get a gun in. HOWEVER, carry a firearm onto the secure area in an airport is a Federal Ofense. As well as a felony in most states. SO…if he did this, showed the gun, and got arrested, they probably would have made an example out of him and sent him away. Usually when they caught someone who carried it in by mistake(at least when I worked there, most of the time the pasenger either forgot it was in thier purse/bag/whatever, or they were ignorant of the laws), they would do thier best to scare the crap out of them, make them sure they were going to jail forever, and after running a quick background check, and makeing them miss thier flights they would let them off the hook.
If someone did it on purpose, like the DJ in question, they hung them out to dry.

I’ve traveled a lot in the U.S. and haven’t run into any problems with a pocket knife as long as the blade is less than 3.5" in length.
But, I’m concerned that I may run into trouble in near future travels to Europe.
Can anyone provide a site that gives the dope on what sort of wacky rules I might run into? I’m not talking about trying to “carry” a machete or anything; just a fingernail trimmin’, paper whackin’, (Swiss Army with a corkscrew) kind of knife.
No corkscrew, no travel.

Rule #5: Never tweak “the man” (unless you can do it anonymously).

Uigi - I always carry my penknife on my keychain. I live in England and have flown to the continent on many occasions, always with penknife. Never so much as a raised eyebrow.

pan

I remember reading on USENET that, to some extent, these folks are there for show.

The person who made that comment explained a pretty easy way to get a gun through security. (I guess I’d better not reveal it here.)

Anyway, this guy explained that the “big boys” – FBI or whoever, focus their attention on certain high-risk airports, and certain “profiles” of passenger.

Although ethically questionable, this approach makes a certain amount of economic sense, since (1) subjecting EVERY airline passenger to a sufficient level of scrutiny would be very time consuming; (2) putting competent security guards in place would be fairly expensive to boot; (3) apparently, “profiling” works to some extent.

P.S. If you want to see better security, swing by a federal courthouse with your Leatherman.

I was waiting at a gate once (in the “sterile” area) and there was this punk-looking kid with a huge dog collar on with great big spikes on it. The spikes had to be an inch or more tall – big conical things. He was apparently just waiting to meet someone, not flying, but it seemed to me to violate the spirit of “airport security” to allow him to be wearing such a potentially dangerous article of clothing.

If I were a pilot and some guy came into the cockpit with a spiked leather strap wrapped around his fist and telling me to fly to Cuba, I’d get the charts for Havana out right away. But maybe that’s just me.

George Carlin has some rather nasty things to say about airport “security” on his You Are All Diseased. He points out that there’s a whole list of lethal objects one can bring on an airplane if you’ve forgotten your gun! (Chain saw, broken whiskey bottle, and an ice pick to name but a few he mentions) And as pointed out in this thread:

By my count, I flew over a hundred flight legs from 1995 to 1999. Most of the time I flew alone (standby, no less. It’s not a great deal- try getting to the airport by 5 am and waiting at a gate for the next fourteen hours without leaving. Get up, you might miss your chance to go home) but two times specifically stand out in my mind.

I was traveling with my family each time, and both were domestic flights (Mpls to Chicago and Mpls to Boston, I believe) and each time security pulled me aside after my family went through the checkpoint, swept my bag for explosive residue, and searched it thoroughly.

I commented on this to my father (37 years in the airline biz for Scandinavian Airlines) and he noted that each time I had followed my family through the checkpoint rather than being somewhere in the middle. Given that I’m 6’1" with dark hair, I don’t blend in well with a family of blonde people that’s measurably shorter. Apparently, Bad People[sup]TM[/sup] try to pick a family and pass through security along with them to appear more innocent.

(At least now I know to pick a family that looks somewhat like me when I want to sneak through security…)

Firstly, a little aside for those of you outside the United States. The Pentagon is a building in Arlington, Virginia USA that serves as a “headquarters” for all five branches of the Armed Forces. This is useful–if you ever want to strike out at the United States Military, you only have to blow up ONE building instead of five. :smiley:

You should check out the security at the Pentagon sometime. I once went there to get a new ID badge, when I remembered that I had my Swiss Army knife in my fanny pack. I thought, oh shit, I am so busted…but I got it through without any hassles.

You can bring in a knife of less than 2.5 inches in length onto the Pentagon Reservation without any hassles. But that couldn’t have been what got me through, as the blade on my knife is a little over three inches.

Maybe I just got lucky as fuck, but then again maybe the guards weren’t paying attention. Either that, or they thought I have an honest face or whatever. I’d just hate to think that security at the damn PENTAGON of all places wouldn’t be that lax.

Dang, man, that looks wicked. How good is it? Do you recommend having it as a tool and also as a handy dandy little filet knife in case ya need it?

Chinese security is a little lax. Well, a lotta lax. Really, all they look for is to see if you’re taking hard currency out of the country illegally.

I always set off the metal detectors in airports, and after years of travel I have yet to find any security guard who could figure out what I was carrying. They sweep, they frisk, they look puzzled, and they wave me on.

Hey security guards, look down. It’s my steel-toed shoes!

Next time I’m sticking a shiv in there :wink:

Wanna see how easy it is to get a really wicked knife/knives past security?

Boker Ceramic Knives

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