Alas, the real reason for war finally surfaces.

Did you notice that the article stated that “The United States asked Israel”, but further into the article it is revealed that the Prime Minister’s Office asked for the “official telegram”?

This seems to be somewhat similar to the Balfour Declaration.

The Balfour Declaration was an official communique that declared the support of Great Britian for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The Balfour Declaration is often cited as the justification for the establishment of modern-day Israel. But, there is a protion of the Balfour Declaration that is never publicly acknowledged.

This “official telegram” is just another self-serving document that will be used, in much the same manner as the Balfour Declaration, to advance the goals of Zionism and further embroil the American taxpayer into a geo-political conflict of “New World Order” proportions.

Except, you’re wrong in substance. It might be a creaming off a piece for the Israeli economy, but the need isn’t as strategic as one might think:

"Israel depends almost exclusively on imports to meet its energy needs. Traditionally, Israel imported most of its oil from Mexico and Norway. Recent improvements in relations with the Arab world have led to Israel looking closer to home for its energy needs. Presently, Israel obtains about 20 percent of its oil from Egypt, and the country has established business contacts with other Arab oil and gas producers, including Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, and Bahrain. On August of 1996, Israel and Jordan concluded an energy accord as an outgrowth of their October 1994 peace treaty. "

I dont see the problem. If the US is trying to prop up its interests in the region, now is the best time. Were already in Iraq, we have control of the oil fields, and Isreal is an ally. We could do anything we wanted at this point - this seems rather tame if you ask me.
We`re already embroiled in the operations of the Mideast, probably more than any of us know.
Could you please clarify the importance of the “telegram” in your mind?

A lot of ‘bonuses’ in this war, aren’t there!

It makes logical sense to run Iraqi oil to the market in Israel in order to provide profits for the Iraqi people. It does not make for good PR in the Middle East, though, does it?

Wonder who’ll get the contract…?

I see no ”reason for war” here. Perhaps I see someone using all available information, whether relevant or not, to back up own preconceived notions.

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What, in your opinion, are the goals of Zionism and how will a doomed project like a US-Israeli pipeline through Arab teritory advance them?
Or is the whole thing bullshit anyhow? As the article states, all similar pipelines have been blown up lately or are out of service for decades. So who would want to build something like that…?

Wow, that Zionism sounds like nasty stuff. Would you please enlighten me as to the goals of this doctrine and the identity of its proponents? Thanks much.

I wouldnt worry about a Iraq-Israel pipeline… its bound to be hit and attacked so frequently as to make it useless.

It does show that the US is too cozy with Israel…

It’s exactly this kind of statements that infuriates the folks in the mid-east and makes Europeas frown.

Which part? Being in Iraq? Controlling the oil fields? Being allies with Isreal? Or just pointing out these facts?

Maybe the “we could do anything we wanted at this point” part?

:smack:

Actually why is this thread called the real reason for war finally surfaces? It was clear all along for those willing to see.

Exactly, they are statements of fact, nothing else.

…Or maybe it’s a good opportunity for an Arab nation to begin having commercial ties with Israel?

Do the Iraqi people hate Israelis? I don’t know what attitudes towards Israel are in Iraq. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that the Iraqis are more open-minded than most, simply because Saddam opposed Israel, and the people hated Saddam.

So IF a commercial pipeline can be built that gets Iraqi oil to market faster, benefitting the Iraqi people, and this has the secondary benefit of creating some economic ties between Arabs and Israelis, then isn’t this a good thing?

I agree that the logistics of it sound suspect, given the amount of sabotage going on. But in principle, I don’t understand how all of you can be so instantly dismissive of this idea. If part of the reason for overthrowing Saddam is to try and reshape the dysfunctional culture of the Middle East, then isn’t this plan at least worth considering in that light?

Because Razorsharp is saying the real reason for war was that the eeevil Jews tricked America to go to war so that Israel could get Iraqi oil.

I’m totally convinced by Razorsharp’s incisive and airtight reasoning. I just wish someone could do a little math for me. The war in Iraq has cost, what, 50 billion, so far? With no end to the expenditure in sight. An oil pipeline from Iraq to Israel would save costs on shipping oil from Norway and Mexico. How many decades would it take to make up 50+ billion dollars in costs, assuming an uninterrupted flow of oil?

Of course, even without doing the math, I’m utterly sure that this makes economic sense.
Or maybe, just possibly, Iraq is a country desperately in need of income. An impartial observer who wasn’t blinded by anti-Zionism, might observe that by shipping oil to Haifa, 40% of the cost of shipping oil to the West would be eliminated, thereby making Iraqi oil an attractive commodity. Not to mention that trade between country tends to reduce tensions and build links of interdependencies that increase regional stability.

Naw, Razorsharp’s logic can’t be avoided, I’m sure it’s just a big Zionist conspiracy.

No offense, Finagle, but it’s obvious you’re not an eeevil Jew. See, the war cost the US 50 billion, but Israel got the oil.

Finagle, your math does indeed not add up, that is if you use fair play as a starting point.

Consider this:
Who pays the 50 billion+? The American taxpayer.
Who gets the proceeds? the American taxpayer? You think?

Well to be fair the American tax payer also gets:

Removal of a strategic threat in a critical region
Removal of their military presence in Saudi Arabia
Application of local presence to reduce Syria/Iran support of Hamas et. Al.
Potential to link Iraqi oil production to the Mediterranean avoiding the Gulf and its issues (tenuous)
Potential second large source of light sweet crude for world markets.

I don’t believe anyone has asked the Iraqis if they want to sell their oil to Israel, Sam. I mean, it’s not like they have a representational government that can speak for them, is there?

Not if the people who own the oil don’t want it to be sold that way. Unless you want to admit that the oil of Iraq is not owned by the Iraqis