I wonder if OSHA investigations are open to the public as they happen or are they closed until they reach a decision?
Thanks, I didn’t know that. I thought since “filmed on location” seems to be used as a sort of advertising point, as in more realistic, that it would be more expensive. So much for my knowledge of Hollywood filming strategies.
Things just aren’t the same since they closed down Spahn’s.
[Looks like it got a bit of use.] (Where was Alec Baldwin's movie 'Rust' being filmed in New Mexico?)
According to the Sante Fe Chamber of Commerce, movies and shows that have filmed around the state capital include “True Grit,” “Independence Day,” “City Slickers,” “Breaking Bad” and “Longmire,” the latter of which filmed at Bonanza Creek Ranch.
The ranch’s website says other films that have been filmed on its property through the years include “Cowboys and Aliens,” “All the Pretty Horses” and “Silverado.”
I’ve seen Longmire (good show) and Cowboys and Aliens (much to my regret), but it’s been a long time so it strikes no memory for me.
I’m surprised someone hasn’t built a motel & restaurant close to the ranch. It seems like production crews and maybe actors would make it worthwhile.
Long work hours and commutes contributed to the problems on Rust.
Or they could pay them per diem so they could have uber driver them back and forth. Maybe take it out of their t-shirt fund.
I was a little surprised when I first read they all more or less drove on their own. I figured the production company would arrange a shuttle from a hotel where they would all stay. I guess low budget productions are really low budget.
I wonder what the arrangements for Baldwin, Ackles, Fisher and the other actors were? Or Souza. I can’t see them driving an hour each way every day. Well, maybe Ackles, he likes to put a lot of miles on his '67 Impala.
Okay, this was funny. Dark and demented, but funny.
When I heard the concept I was so excited, then I saw the movie. 
FWIW some may find this interesting: Testing Alec Baldwin’s Revolver Theory
Given the earlier video showing it could not be fired prior to the half-cocked position that’s about the only way a functioning version of the gun could fire. With the trigger engaged it allows the hammer to be drawn back far enough to fire the cartridge when released.
The video above shows half-cocked is not enough to fire the weapon. Indeed, the trigger is locked from firing.
It does note one possible failure mode where you could “fan the hammer” by holding down the trigger. That is the best guess of what Baldwin did by accident.
Yes, that’s what I said. It has to be passed the half cocked position to generate enough energy to fire. If it’s passed the half cocked position and released it will stop unless the trigger is pulled.
It’s really easy to pull the trigger when pulling a gun out of a holster if done wrong.
He could have shortened that video by fifteen minutes by cutting out his "witty’ repartee and crappy camera close ups where you couldn’t see anything because the gun blended in with either his shirt or his beard. Even when he said he was showing us the gun was empty because he’s such a safe gun handler, I couldn’t see shit because the camera work was so bad. For all I could see, the gun could have been full of live rounds.
I don’t think the video added anything to what we already discussed weeks ago. I hope it was helpful to people that aren’t familiar with guns, but I can’t see anything useful there myself.
I don’t think anyone but Baldwin really thinks did not pull the trigger at some point. However, I’m sure he really believes that. It’s what we hear all the time with the negligent firing of weapons: “the gun just went off.” It’s not true of course, but it’s common nonetheless.
None of this is relevant anyway. Baldwin could have pulled the trigger all day long if 5 to 10 people ahead of him had properly done their jobs, in exactly the same way many, many other actors have pulled triggers in front of cameras in what would be unsafe firearms practices outside the context of a film shoot.
That was my position in my first comment in this thread and nothing since then has changed it.
To the extent Baldwin bears any small fraction of culpability in this incident, it is strictly limited to his choice to accept the gun from someone other than the armorer, and failing to demand a gun check at that handover. What he did or didn’t do with the gun in his hand is immaterial, and it’s insanely frustrating after more than 1700 posts that this has to be repeated yet again.
^ And that is why I usually don’t bother when people post videos. I don’t want to waste my time on unnecessary BS. Just get to the point already.
Herrera can be factually informative where he’s qualified and mildly clever when he wants to, but he often falls into pandering to his audience, and he knows, right now, what that audience wants is hur hur let’s mock and judge Baldwin hur hur hur and the gun-ignorant Hollywood libs hur hur let’s have another White Claw hur hur hur.
So yeah, he could have saved 10 to 15 minutes there.
Yeah, that seems right to me, that he really has no subjective recollection of having his finger on the trigger — even if that was the fact. Which is not something that would surprise me, in such a shock, that in his mind there were an honest to goodness proprioceptive blank between pulling gun from holster and standing there with ears ringing, smoke in the air, and OMG Halyna’s down!
He, and we, and everyone, need to be reminded, that making a mistake that has dire consequences, especially when you were counting on others to backstop you, does NOT make someone evil or immoral.
I agree with you on this.
That guy in the video is an idiot. He had dents on the primer from slipping the hammer on a brand new reproduction, and declares that it’s impossible to have a discharge?
Actual real humans who used those guns kept the round under the hammer empty. If course it’s possible.
Also, one theory floating around is that this was a reloaded cartridge. My understanding is if a primer is seated too deep, it can be partially crushed and be extra sensitive to impact.
That’s always the best practice. My dad drilled that rule into me at a young age.
btw the hole in the shoe was a demo. he didn’t really shoot his foot.
All of this is exactly right, I’ve agreed with everything you said in this thread and this video is just old news.
This is one thing that seems to vary from set to set, no matter what the actual rules are. For example, apparently “cold gun” is used often enough that everybody on this set knew what it was supposed to mean. Later, people like George Clooney said they have never heard of that phrase in movies he’s worked on. I’m guessing time and budget concerns, especially having the money to pay for top tier crew, plays a part in this.
I usually check on how long they run. If it’s more than a couple of minutes I just skip it. Should have followed my own rule.
New word of the day!
True. Baldwin’s literal slip of the finger was the very tail end of a line of mistakes. By the time the gun was in Baldwin’s hands, at least three other people had fucked up enough so a live round made it on set.
I think the whole video was just so he could get in at few digs at Baldwin. IIRC, said he’d never even used that type of gun until he made the video. And his whole " dents in a primer are no big thing" schtick was laughable for someone who claims firearms expertise. If I had any type of revolver and I saw dents in the primer, that gun is being unloaded and gun and ammo would be at a trusted armorer before I tried to use it again. A dented primer would signal to me that something was wrong with the action of the firing pin or that the ammo was defective.
Reporting has been all over the place on this, but odds are it was a hand loaded cartridge. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a reused cartridge, although it could be. Nothing wrong with that, a lot of people do that with no problem.
However, the professionalism of those involved makes me think I wouldn’t trust them to gather my mail while I was away, much less use any ammunition they hand loaded.
And, just so I can be called an ageist, I think twenty four is way too young to be head armorer on a set. Those are prime years to be an apprentice or assistant.
The latest twist in the tale: