Horrible? Cite that she said it was horrible? Sounds to me like she was describing something annoying.
I generally agree with you about the no-free-pass thingy.
But I don’t see Ocasio-Cortez making any accusations of racism or sexism against Capitol Police.
As has been pointed out upthread, she was responding to a very douchey accusation of lying about her experience.
In this exchange, who is making the unfair assumptions?
The original post from Ocasio-Cortez, though indicating exasperation, does not appear to be accusatory at all.
As for evidence of her experience being indicative of gender-based discrimination, biases, or assumptions, Representative Katherine Clark offered this good-humored yet telling response.
Of course it’s accusatory. I mean, it’s not a big deal at all really, she was mistaken for a different role than she had. Not a big deal. But I take her implication that she interpreted it as sexism. I tend to dismiss both - both the implication that it was sexist, and the otherwise innocuous action of the Capitol Police. She is young for her role, and most Congress people are male. A harmless assumption is harmless and nothing.
Can you point us to where she made such implications or accusations against Capitol Police?
Got any objective facts or actual evidence to support your own accusations?
Still waiting for you to specify what statements she made in the original article that were “whiny”.
Don’t you think that Ocasio-Cortez, …
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In this thread: AOC says, “Housing is ridiculous in the DC metro, and I’m expected to be there for months without any income.”
Conservatives, “AOC IS A WHINY LITTLE GIRL THAT NEEDS TO SHUT UP AND BEG FOR MONEY TO PAY RENT!”
AOC “Here’s some shit that happens, and it’s a regular story for women and minorities.”
Conservatives, “SHE’S CALLING EVERYONE RACISTS! OMG!”
Do you all need a trigger warning before reading her tweets? Here you go: TRIGGER WARNING: These comments may attack white male fragility.
Well, yeah, it was accusatory, Schwartz flat out called her a liar. This was not a harmless assumption.
There are no other accusations in that exchange, so I have to assume that that is the accusation that you are talking about.
Anything else is general annoyance, or a response to a leveled accusation of her being a liar.
…we don’t know exactly what happened. We have a tweet. A sentence. You can’t conclude that there was “no sexism displayed” on the basis of a sentence.
Conflating “Last night I was stopped bc it was assumed I was an intern/staffer” with “an accusation of sexual assault” is some mighty impressive “conflating.” A world class effort.
Stop playing the victim. Nobody is trying to silence you here. The only people that could theoretically silence you are the mods.
I once had a client never once look me in the eye. Never spoke to me. When I asked them questions they responded to my white 2IC instead of me. The racism was so blatant my 2IC felt the need to apologize to me even though they had done nothing wrong.
How about doing this instead.
Instead of asking me to imagine you are black, how about you imagine you are black. Is it possible for you to do such a thing?
Quite possibly. That’s the problem with hypotheticals. They are hypothetical. I’m gonna go with yes the juror was racist. Because this hypothetical juror was wearing a KKK hood and had a swastika tattoo.
ROFL!
Just this morning the President of the United States called Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff “little Adam Schitt”. The President of the United States is an immature little schitt who was single-handedly responsible for the highest midterm turnout in a century. Trump has actually divided the nation. Ocasio-Cortez is not even close. What an absurd assertion.
Schwartz seems too quick on the trigger. Dick move. But AOC was leveling a charge of sexism in my interpretation. Do you disagree?
I disagree that Ocasio-Cortez sharing what she experienced and indicating exasperation is equivalent to an accusation of sexism.
However, if you’re dismissing the idea that her being mistaken for a congres member’s spouse was “sexist” (which, AFAIK she hasn’t claimed), would you also reject the notion that it could be indicative of an inherent bias in a male-dominated congress?
Could that not possibly be what Ocasio-Cortez was implying? And do you consider that equivalent to an accusation of sexism?
Do you also dismiss the remarks made by Katherine Clark regarding her own experience?
And can you appreciate that what seems innocuous to you might not seem so to the women actually experiencing such encounters?
And, again, from the exchange between Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Arthur Schwartz, who do you feel is the one making the unfair assumptions/accusations?
Sorry. Whole lotta questions, I know, but none of them rhetorical; I promise.
But would you change your opinion?
Maybe it’s because your attitude, look, and actions causes these people to determine that you are a douche bag? Now, I’M not saying you are a douche bag, because I don’t know you and I don’t want to insult you, especially not in this forum, but maybe people who look at you and see something and they judge on that? Perhaps you appear to them to be a slovenly, idiotic, crime-committing white guy and they are judging you on that? I’m a white guy and no one has ever mistaken me for a grocery store worker or a defendant in a crime trial. Perhaps it’s some sort of aura you project?
I’m under the opinion that anyone, white or not, should listen to an accusation and go from there. I’ve taken great pains to ensure I don’t denigrate someone for how they feel. Who are you to tell someone how they should feel about something?
To paraphrase our Dear Leader “She’s a Congresswoman and you are not”
You are a guy on a message board.
Here is an actual US Senator saying “‘the left’ will start a civil war unless federal highway system abolished”
Can you link to any posts you made that show your outrage over what this Senator said or is your outrage only limited to new Congresswomen who you disagree with?
Stories are not evidence. Evidence needs to be corroborated. It needs to be able to withstand cross-examination. Contradictory information, if there is any, needs to be considered.
Her tweet is NOT evidence.
Are you asking that if I apologize, would it be an incencere apology?
Let me put the shoe on the other foot. If my assumptions proved accurate, would YOU change your opinion?
The sad part is that you believe you are factually correct.
…of course it can be.
No it doesn’t.
Not at all. Evidence can fail cross-examination. It doesn’t stop being evidence though.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Her tweet IS evidence. Nuff said.
It could certainly be inherent(implicit) bias. The person stopping her or mis directing her could have been an example of sexism, it’s just not enough evidence to conclude that way. I do consider inherent bias (I think you mean implicit?) to be on the spectrum of sexism.
I didn’t follow Clark’s statement. Sure, different people have different experiences.
Schwartz seems like a jerk in the exchange and in the greater wrong.
As with many charges of racism and sexism, I think weak implications of such do a disservice to actual instances of the same and weaken the charges overall.
Yes, I disagree.
I can see how, if you squint at it and want it to be so enough, you can see how her reply to being blatantly accused of lying was presuming that the accusation was due to her gender or ethnicity, when she said “Next time try believing women + people of color when they talk about their experiences being a woman or person of color”, but that is in answer to his accusation of her being a liar, not an accusation itself.
But her initial statement, then one that Schwartz was “too quick on the trigger” about, had nothing to do with sexism.
All of the stuff about capitol police and everything else is just what is motivationally read into her tweets that mention nothing of the sort at all.
Out of curiosity, do you think that Schwartz was just “too quick on the trigger”, or was he absolutely wrong in making an unfounded accusation that she is a liar?
Let’s say that you are right (and nice job BTW of skirting and avoiding the rule against personal insults). That would mean that it is on me to do some inner soul searching and not try to be that way.
But if I was black and still had these same character flaws, I could merely bleat that it was solely because of my race, have the left believe that it is absolutely true, suppress any disagreement, and I could go on with my douchebaggery uncorrected.
Do you now see the problem with that? Minorities, who also have character flaws, never correct those flaws because the blame is on whitey.
I did not see anything about you having character flaws in this hypothetical, only that you “appear” to have character flaws based on your appearance. That people presume that you are a person of ill repute, or even worse, a grocery store employee, based on nothing more than what you look like.
I am sure that when people who are first put off by their initial impressions, and get to know you, they will know that they were wrong to judge you based on your appearance.
Now, if you are white, you can shave up that beard a bit, run a comb through your hair, put on some deodorant, and people may no longer make presumptions based on your slovenly appearance.
What would you change if you were black?
I mean: would you no longer consider Ocasio-Cortez’s tweet to be a display of “grade A arrogance”?
I’m not quite sure what your assumptions are, but if some compelling evidence comes up to indicate that Ocasio-Cortez is behaving in an arrogant manner or making baseless accusations of sexism, certainly my opinion of her will change for the worse.