Can you prove this?
But you are not black. You should focus on what you should do so people don’t think you are a douche bag. Don’t worry about other people who aren’t you.
Thanks for responding, and you’re probably right about “implicit” being the word I should have used.
I also consider implicit bias to be on the spectrum of sexism. But notice how we’re going from “baseless accusations of sexism are bad” to discussing whether Ocasio-Cortez’s short tweet might have been intended to point out a bias existing on a “spectrum of sexism”. And this in a thread that has already pivoted away from the ridiculous accusations that Ocasio-Cortez is financially irresponsible and self-entitled for her comments regarding moving to DC.
Clark was indicating that, as a women in congress, she’s had similar experiences.
At least that was my take.
Recognizing that different people have different experiences is nothing more than recognizing the obvious.
Recognizing that what seems like no big deal to oneself may actually be more significant to someone with different experience is important.
I’m glad we are in agreement on this.
And I would like to say I’m in agreement with you on this point also,
except that I see that argument being used to downplay, dismiss, and flat-out attack justifiable complaints against various forms of sexism and racism perceived to be less important.
I would agree that overblown allegations of sexism or racism in response to the slightest perception of such, regardless of evidence or intent, do a disservice to those fighting blatant and malicious discrimination.
But I don’t see that in Ocasio-Cortez’s remarks.
What I do see is the likes of WillFarnaby, UltraVires, and Sam Stone making baseless accusations and casting ill aspersions against Ocasio-Cortez without providing evidence.
I might need to change exactly the same things. But why would I do that if I can just hang a claim of racism upon someone? That is my entire point: you assume that the charge against the black person is one of racism when it might just the same be the same charge against me. That is exactly how this conversation has gone:
Black me: I was thought to be a criminal defendant just because I am black!
Poster 1: How do you know that? Maybe you just need to shave your beard a bit?
Poster 2: How dare you minimize the experiences of black people? They are in a better position to judge racism than you.
Poster 1: But he has not put forth any evidence that the criticism leveled against him was based upon race.
Poster 2: That’s easy for a white guy to say from hundreds of miles away!
I’d suggest that it’s because a sizable number of Democrats are similarly fixated on her. From the boards, I certainly already knew about AOC before this thread was begun. But I had to go hunting to find Lucy McBath, who won a R+8 district in Georgia and Kendra Horn, who won an R+10 district in Oklahoma. I didn’t hear a thing about Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar, the first two muslim women elected to Congress, either. There are quite a number of impressive women joining Congress this year, but very little has been said about them, whereas AOC was in the national limelight before ever even winning her primaries.
Personally, I’d venture to guess that the difference is that Miss Ocasio-Cortez is physically attractive.
This whole thread is likely just using politics as an excuse on both sides to salivate.
While, I can’t speak to the possible Pavlovian responses of other posters, I’ll say that she was already on my radar because TYT has been championing her as a model progressive who successfully primaried a corporate-backed establishment Dem by running a grass-roots campaign. That’s damn impressive.
She’s stayed on my radar because Republicans keep saying dumb shit about her.
…not only is this insulting to Ocasio-Cortez: its insulting to all of the posters taking part in this thread. And its also very very wrong. The only person (that I’m aware of) who has decided to talk about her “attractiveness” is you. That’s not a reflection of “both sides.” Its a reflection of you.
I doubt the commentary on the appearances of politicians or celebrities will ever be effectively suppressed by either fiat or ostracism. Too much joy is had with witticisms such as the Cheeto in charge.
AOC:
i strongly urge you to take a step back from this conversation, read what you wrote, and consider whether one might find a nearly identical post in the most disgusting corners of the Internet.
If new information or context came to light, that would be the basis of my apology.
Well and good.
I suggest that the information presented after your post (#331), while not being certain proof that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is NOT in her heart of hearts an arrogant race-baiting drama queen, DOES indicate that any such accusation against her is unwarranted at this stage.
You exercised critical thinking and raised some good points countering the ridiculous accusations about Ocasio-Cortez’s innocuous remarks regarding her upcoming move to DC.
I see Sam Stone’s offering of this new line of attack as being equally meritless.
Also, I would like to second your words to UltraVires.
Quite so.
To be clear, I don’t think she was directly saying that she was treated poorly by Capitol police or staff because of her race. I think she leveled the accusation of racism at the guy who cast doubt on those things happening because he talked with a Republican congressman about there being no intern events that day. I think she was making a narrow claim that right-wingers doubting her stories were being sorta racist and sexist.
In my opinion, her original statements about being thought of as a spouse or intern were just garden-variety arrogance.
2 reasons she gets lots of publicity -
she beat an entrenched incumbent in the primary.
she’s from NYC which is the media capital of the US so it’s really easy for her to get on CNN, ABC, CBS, etc
Ravenman is reading my mind and posting what I want to before I post it.
I wouldn’t assume that this
is any kind of arrogance.
(Heck. I complain about my work all the time.
And sometimes it’s not even because I’m arrogant.)
Okay, so she said nothing about the Capitol police then. As I said earlier:
As you have since mentioned other things, I’ll retract the question about a simple tweet. But I still see no evidence from you that supports your claims of her arrogance, or of being degraded.
ETA: removed double quoted passage.
I think there’s at least some degree of truth to Atrios’ frequently stated notion that the media has a tendency to chase down whatever stories conservatives feed them. (For example, the NYT and WaPo had front-page stories on the caravan for 9 or 10 consecutive days, even though it didn’t generate much new news from one day to the next.)
Conservatives are having a near-Hillary/Pelosi level reaction to AOC. So she’s in the news. It really doesn’t take much more explaining than that.
(I was wondering how long they’d keep working themselves up over Hillary. The answer seems to be, until they could find a suitable female replacement. AOC came along in the nick of time. :))
Youngest women and full-of-fresh energy leftist? Those are the ingredients for (1) the media shamelessly latching onto a “fresh-faced media darling goes to Washington” narrative, and (2) the conservative poo-flinging regime switching to high gear.
I like that she wants to clear out the deadwood in the Dem party in Congress.
But I just read she is backing Pelosi for speaker. I wonder what kind of payback she is getting for that? I expect she is going to get her pick of favorite committees for voting for that fossil Pelosi.
If she was in fact sent to the spouses’ luncheon because she was so young, then that just highlights a different sort of sexism: If she’s too young to be a Representative herself, then shouldn’t she also be too young to be the spouse of a Representative? Except that there’s the expectation that successful men will have wives much younger than themselves. And even if that’s accurate, it still reflects a sexist reality.