Did you edit this after the first response? I don’t remember seeing the snark.
I wasn’t criticizing your response, in particular. I was seeing this as a general, rambling discussion of issues with combating misogyny in our society. I said that I liked the speech. I’ve said that like 10 times. But once that’s been said, well, the conversation evolves. Dangerosa talking about how in her experience people are treating the speech as a Great Leap Forward, and her own frustration with that response is a pretty reasonable place for the conversation to go from there.
So now that you heard her speak, are you open to the idea that misogyny is a problem in a way that you were never clear on before? That other women just couldn’t covey to you?
I haven’t; I rarely listen to anyone when reading a transcript 10x faster is an option. But some people are inspired by speeches. Some people make more inspiring speeches. And I, personally, benefit from repetition in messaging when there is competition for my attention.
Fair enough. But Dangerosa had a different reaction, it made her tired and sad, because it shows how far we have to go, and how little progress we’ve really made. That’s also a fair reaction, and not a criticism of the speech.
FWIW, although I’m certain I would be much more likely to support AOC‘s position on whatever specific legislation is involved here than Yoho’s, it should be said that her Jean Valjean theory of crime is laughably naïve. The spike in violent crime we are seeing in various cities is not a result of parents stealing bread for their starving children, c’mon.
For the record, Yoho is my representative and I have attended one of his town hall meetings. I have seen the way he has addressed women, including a climate scientist from UF who questioned him on his stance towards climate change.* Even in a public setting, he is infuriatingly paternalistic, condescending, and dismissive of women. I have no doubt that he’s far worse when he thinks he can get away with it.
*He told her that he knows climate change doesn’t exist. Why? Because when he was a kid he worked outdoors a lot, and it was really warm back then. CHECK AND MATE.
FWIW, I have never been in the habit of calling women “(fucking) bitch”. You don’t have to accept my word on that. Nevertheless, it’s true. Guilty as charged of using the word “cunt”, but to be fair, I’ve used it to insult men by order of magnitude more often than women. That said, I’ve refrained from doing so since the thread in ATMB. Feel free to search the boards for its use by me since the date of my posts there.
Still, AOC did re-enforce my decision tor refrain. The message was not lost on me.
Yet that should not have triggered an intemperate rage fit on the part of Yoho, just as it did not trigger one in you just now. He could have cooly said what you just did and walked away. That it did cause an outburst, and the nature and form of the outburst, is what points to something bigger that’s wrong.
Yoho was totally out of line to make that remark. The Republicans in Congress have adopted a habit of vindictive remarks to emulate their leader. He got caught. He got called out deservedly. It’ll be out of the news cycle and public consciousness in a week.
Bread for the World announced Yoho’s resignation in a statement on Saturday, saying that his “recent actions and words as reported in the media are not reflective of the ethical standards expected of members of our Board of Directors.”
A good article IMO. Indeed making it about AOC as viral sensation is itself a symptom of the bigger problem, taking attention from itself.
(People just looking at her as “Brand AOC, Progressive Pop Sensation” – both opponents and people supposedly on her side – has been a problem since she won her 2018 primary. We’ve plenty of that right here.)
And the way NYT covered it suggests that someone at the Grey Lady has caught on to “disruptive” as a “hip”, “now” buzzword to refer to everyone and everything that is not more of the same-old. Which probably means it’s time to find a different one.
The piece in the NYT reads more like an op-ed than an article. It’s not about the insult.It’s about how AOC parlayed the insult into a viral sensation, as though that’s a bad thing. What is left out is that this is how politics is played. If the media aren’t there to cover it, it didn’t happen. If you want change, you have to get the word out.
Yeah - sorry. We essentially cross posted. I edited mine right away - and when it posted, I saw you had responded already. Shoulda commented at the time. Again - sorry I didn’t.
Don’t remember exactly what I added but I think I realized my post didn’t fully express my negative feelings from you two’s posts. Doubt there is anything significant I can add to this thread. And - no - I don’t make a point of joining in gender threads. For various reasons. Hey - I have a wife and daughters!
No AOC’s speech did not say anything I personally did not previously believe and perceive.
Oh, absolutely. The House GOP caucus these days is overwhelmingly made up of super wound up, resentful avatars of toxic masculinity, rage balls of white grievance. All the more so now that they are in the minority, which on the House side makes them almost completely powerless. To have all these diverse women in charge is incredibly frustrating to them. And I’m here for it!
What can I say, you are entitled to your opinion. I just ask that you be a little more considerate before coming to the conclusion that nobody of a certain political persuasion is sincere.
