All right, fellow Bush haters, listen up.

[Der_Trihs]

@duffer

I proudly stand in the camp of Bush supporters, realizing that nobody can destroy this country in 8 years and legacies take longer than 20 years to play out.

Then you are proud to be scum.

@duffer

As far as the two men personally, I’d trust Bush to watch the kids while carousing with Clinton rather than the other way around. It’s my opinion of character of the people, not how they do their jobs.

Foolish. Bush is rather more likely to decide to assault or kill your children for some crazy reason than Clinton.

@duffer

Sometimes the anger of any change needs to be reflected on before making concrete ascertaitions of the changes.

Not now. No amount of good can make up for the harm he’s caused, not that I think that good will come of anything he’s done.

[duffer]

@Der Trihs

Then you are proud to be scum.

In all honesty, and let me be clear.

If this is your honest opinion, I stand proud to be everything you are not.

[elucidator]

@duffer

…But there is no honest debate…

Speak for yourself. And as the 12 steppers say, don’t presume to take my inventory.

[Der_Trihs]

@duffer

In all honesty, and let me be clear.

If this is your honest opinion, I stand proud to be everything you are not.

Oh ? Not a good idea, since I’m not a murderer, not a child molestor, not on fire, not a drug addict, not impaled on a stick, not a Neo-Nazi, not a cannibal; in fact, being my exact opposite isn’t a good idea at all.

As far as your support of Bush goes, he is reponsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis, he’s caused other forms of harm to still more. He’s screwed up this country in innumerable ways as well. Anyone who would vote for him is either scum or a fool; either way, you share in his blood guilt.

[Hentor_the_Barbarian]

I’m just pleased to see that begbert2 is diverse. He’s a fucking moron on a variety of topics. You go boy!

Far, far away, if possible.

As to John Mace, he’s certainly capable of thoughtful and rational discussion. IMHO, his problem is that he’s never found a position he didn’t want to oppose. Why else would someone be a libertarian?

[Kimstu]

@Sam Stone

I had a glance at Democratic Underground today after Chavez went on his little "Bush is the Devil’ rant at the UN. They’re positively gleeful over there. Chavez is their buddy. They’d elect him president if they could.

This forces some of us, who otherwise wouldn’t give Bush an ounce of credit, to take sides with him. And then the left bitches that we’re ‘apologists’ for Bush. No, it’s just that too many on the other side are freaking nuts.

“Wouldn’t give Bush an ounce of credit”? Boy, Sam, I sure wish your skepticism about the trustworthiness of the current administration had kicked in somewhat earlier :

@Sam Stone on 08-24-2002

The Bush administration is loaded with foreign policy superstars. They are among the best in the world. I have a certain amount of confidence that if they commit U.S. forces to war, they have a damned good reason.

@Sam Stone on 09-08-2002

I for one believe that the administration has exactly the evidence Cheney says they have, because it’s specific. You know how you can spot spin or equivocation? When you don’t get details. If Cheney said, “we have evidence that they are trying to acquire some materials”, I’d be a lot more skeptical, but still willing to listen. When he says, “They have been trying to buy X number of tons of an Aluminum of type Y”, then I assume they have exactly that, because it’s pretty hard to make something like that up and not have that fact come out later on.

Plus, if you aren’t going to trust that your government is telling the truth when they make a direct, factual statement, just what can you possibly trust?

[elucidator]

That was then, this is now. GeeDubCo has learned many valuable, important lessons. I’m sure The Leader deeply regrets being stampeded into the Iraq Debacle by hysterical, cringing Democrats, begging for protection from Saddam.

[El_Cid_Viscoso]

@elucidator

… hysterical, cringing Democrats, begging for protection from Saddam.

And now those longhairs at the U fuckin’ N are saying there’s more torture in Iraq under us than under Saddam? Pinkos!