The US National Security Council says it’s real. If it’s fake, US intelligence has made a big mistake, or the US government is involved in a conspiracy to hide the truth, for some reason.
Rigmarole, if you’re honest in your intentions, why do you ignore this fact?
I just watched it. It doesn’t show the actual beheading, but I see no reason to conclude that it’s not a video of Foley’s execution. Certainly it’s not “incredibly fake,” as you seem to believe.
Rigamarole, you mention in the OP that the still image of the beheaded body is badly Photoshopped, but you haven’t touched on your reasons for thinking so. For those of us who lack your expertise, could you please point out the features of the photo that indicate it’s faked? Also, could you describe how it managed to fool analysts in the US intelligence community?
I didn’t say anything about Photoshop. The still at the end…some observations…
Look at the elbow. Look at the neck.
It depends on what they define as “real”. It’s could be "real"ly from ISIS, but it’s not a real execution or real body at the ned.
Why are you answering questions specifically directed to Rigamarole?
Rigamarole did. I’d like to hear his analysis.
That’s what you got? What about them, exactly?:dubious:
Thanks for your highly sophisticated analysis. It’s about on a par with the rest of your objections.
I have a theory.
The original post asking the question didn’t mention Rigamarole, subsequent edits by a moderator have added that information.
Okay, I looked at the elbow. I looked at the neck. And? What do they show? And don’t say “that it’s fake.” Be specific.
So that leaves the following possibilities:
US intelligence thinks everything in the video is real, including the execution and body, but are wrong about that. You, Rigmarole and a few others are superior intelligence analysts.
US intelligence overlooked verifying the authenticity of what is depicted in the video, only thinking it might be useful to confirm it came from IS, despite it being obvious, according to some, that the video is fake. This would possibly make them more incompetent than option 1.
US intelligence are intentionally deceiving the public by omission, claiming the video is “authentic” when they’re aware of the presumed meaning. Someone involved in the US government is obviously lying outright somewhere, because James Foley’s parents are certainly convinced he’s dead. This would make a conspiracy.
US intelligence are intentionally deceiving the public by lying about the video’s authenticity.
So, is there a conspiracy involving the US government? Otherwise, I think you should submit an application to the CIA right away.
Another conspiracy theory. Who removed the “Last edited by…” from your post (you quoted it) and mine? This one goes right to the top!
Not that I mind who answers.
That’s exactly what I thought when I watched it. Might be a real head though, or maybe photoshopped since its a still? The body just doesn’t seem to match Foley’s.
Anyway, I think James Foley is dead, and this was not his execution video. Comparing this video to the gruesome ones of Berg and Eugene Armstrong, plus the other ones Rigamorole linked for us, this visdeo in question looks like a dress rehearsal. There was screaming, overlapping dialogue, and at least five terrorists on screen in any other video.
Guess we just wait for autopsy results?
Colibri edited his own post, and it sounds like you’re talking about a different post. Not that I think you’re socking; dimwits of a feather have to stick together.
You believe the Berg video was real? Kooks started screaming ‘fake’ as soon as it appeared. Ironic that it’s now being used as evidence that another beheading wasn’t real.
I edited my own post to indicate the question was directed at Rigamarole an entire minute after I first posted it. And you quoted the edited version of the post. Doesn’t say a lot for your observational capabilities, does it?
That’s all good, I was wrong about that. You observed what I observed you don’t see a beheading in this video.
The thing is you don’t know what they mean by “real”, neither do I. I do know that no “real” beheading took place on the video.
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION - of course there were no lies about this.
Okay, maybe it wasn’t Berg then. My mistake. But the Eugene Armstrong one on that gore site, and many other related links, none look as scripted as this Foley one.
Is there some rule that I missed about doing this?
It doesn’t look like anyCPR dummy I’ve ever seen. Ones specifically for CPR usually lack arms and legs and are pretty crude in general. Maybe you mean a first-aid training dummy, but again, the body doesn’t look anything like one. Such dummies are generally rather crude, and have obvious joints at the elbow, wrist, and ankle. I see no sign of such joints on the body. The shape of the hand and the angles of the feet don’t suggest a commercial manikin either.
Perhaps you can link to a commercially available dummy likely to be available in the Syrian desert that has the rather realistic features of the hands and feet shown by the body?
As I said in the post you quoted, it’s possible they mean something different from what most people would assume. But none of the scenarios where that could be true (I listed them all, as far as I can tell) seem even remotely likely. Do you disagree with that?
Yeah, good luck with that. For a moment there, I thought **Phil **actually had some useful information. Nope, just being a dick.
If **Rigamarole **or anyone else does have specific observations that debunk the video or the photo (something less useless than “look at the elbow”), I’d honestly be interested in hearing them.
