Allergic astma experiences

I know you’re all not doctors, bla bla, just tell me your experiences, or what you know!

My SO was diagnosed with allergic asthma several years ago. I think he is doing badly at the moment and would like for him to get his medication adjusted. He isn’t sleeping well and feels tired and out of breath often, it also gets in the way of his running. We keep the house fairly clean and don’t have carpets, so I do think medication is the only way.

Right now he is on a seretide disc that says 50/250 of which he takes 2 inhalations a day, and a ventolin disc (salbutamol) of 200mg when needed. (I hope this makes sense, as it doesn’t to me, I can type out other stuff it says on the box of course, if that would help.)

He is reluctant to see the doctor because he doesn’t think they will be able to help. They will, though, right? I mean, surely he can just get a higher dose? Would that help?

Also, how about other options? I read up about protective mattresses and the like, but the evidence seemed a little woozy to be honest. I keep the mattress clean by hoovering and putting it out in the hot sun (this should kill the mites). I wash the linnen on hot. Anything else I should do?

I’m sick of this, I want him to be able to breathe.

ETA: whoops, allergy is to house dust mites, sorry! And excuse the typo in the title :frowning:

I’ve struggled with this all of my life. If he is having trouble breathing at night, he really should see his doctor. If his asthma is flaring, his meds apparently are not working for him and should be changed or adjusted. Waiting is not a good idea. Have him go in soon.

As far as what I can do to help myself, I have had some decent results with using a neti pot every day, and making sure I drink enough water. When I’m a little dehydrated, I seem to be prone to more attacks. When I’m having a flare-up, it helps to try and cut down the stress in my life, if possible. None of this replaces going to the doctor if my breathing is out of control, though.

Has he ever been checked for any food allergies? Might not be a bad idea to ask the doctor about that. Pollen, dust mites and certain chemicals are my triggers, but food can also be a trigger for some folks.

Hope he feels better soon.

In Australia, anybody diagnosed with asthma is put onto an ‘Asthma Management Plan’ which not only involves taking salbutamol (Ventolin) but also preventatives like Seretide as you mentioned.

IF THEY ARE NOT WORKING EFFECTIVELY, as it seems like is happening with your SO, he definitely needs to see a Dr again to get reviewed to find out why the meds are not keeping his asthma at bay. He might need higher doses, he might need alternative meds, he might need further investigations to find out the cause: it may not be allergens (for example) but instead an underlying infection that is causing the asthmatic response.

Don’t muck around with asthma. It can be a killer, especially in those who don’t manage their illness properly. If you have to, DRAG HIM TO THE DOCTOR, BY THE THROAT IF NECESSARY. :smiley:

IANAD…but yer’ welcome anyway. :slight_smile:

Thanks guys! Yesss, I will drag him to a doctor by the throat! Grr. I am going to be very firm with him. It’s difficult because being out of breath makes him very grumpy. I need to say it when he is feeling well, then quickly book an appointment.

He was checked extensively for allergies, and the only result was house dust mite. He also does better in summer when we are outdoors all the time, so I think it really is that. What I’m not sure I understand is the meaning of allergic asthma: if there were no dust mites at all (hypothetically!) would he not have asthma at all? Nothing?

Re the neti pot: his nose does get blocked, but not very badly. Would it still help? He refuses nasal spray, he says it doesn’t work.

Another question: asthma attacks make the whole condition worse, right? Or did I make that up? So he needs better meds (and to take them dutifully) in order to not worsen the condition?

You can offer him an alternative…either he goes to the Doc when he can walk there by himself, or you can call an ambulance when his breathing gets so laboured that he CAN’T. His choice!

Seriously, if he is being challenged right now by his asthma, he needs to make an appointment IMMEDIATELY…not tomorrow, not next week and certainly not ‘sometime in the amorphous future’. Asthma kills. And it can kill very quickly…it does not necessarily take much from ‘a bit of huffiness and effort’ to ‘extreme respiratory distress’.

Fuck…show him this thread, then put a collar and leash on him and drag him to the DR. NOW.

:smiley:

I will show him this thread actually. And I do love your parenting with options! It totally works on everyone, but shh, don’t let on or they’ll all work out I’ve been using it on adults all this time…

The questions just keep on coming: basically, huffiness and not sleeping well are NOT the norm, right? I think he just resigned himself, believing that was how it is going to be. But the meds should be able to allow him to feel… normal?

Huffiness is not the norm. If the meds were working properly, he’d not be huffy or wheezy. Those symptoms are indicators that his asthma is not being managed properly.

Tell him (and again, grab him by the throat or scrotum as you tell him!!) that with proper meds (as prescribed by a decent DR), he would more than likely feel like King of the World. Elsewise, he might die.

I have had allergic asthma for 20 years. Treatments have come on in leaps and bounds and there are now many options so going back to the doctor is a must. I had spent years on a preventative (becotide) plu ventolin, but when it started to be ineffective, the doctor tested different doses and treatments until I was finally prescribed Symbicort (brand name used in the UK and other places), which combines a preventative with something like ventolin in one dose (don’t ask me for the technical terms!) and it was like a miracle cure.

Get thee to the docs pronto!

It’s definitely worth going to the doctor’s. There is a higher dosage of seretide available, although you can of course get the same effect by simply taking more of it; my doctor’s OK with me managing my own asthma this way, but I know not all doctors would be happy with that.

The next step up from that is usually oral prednisolone steroids. They’re not the same ones that are in the inhalers and they’re not what body builders use. Just a weekend dose - 6 tiny tablets morning and night or something similar - could be enough to help the lungs recover. That’s what I have to do now and then. Longer periods on those drugs gave me horrible side-effects in the past, but it seems to be OK if they’re just for a few days.

For non-medical help, installing a dehumidifier might help. This is about as reputable and unbiased as a cite can get, and it doesn’t 100% endorse dehumidifiers, but does say that they reduce the presence of dust mites, so to me it sounds like getting one should help a bit. As long as you can afford it, of course.

Symbicort and seretide are very, very similar medicines. Changing from one to the other probably won’t make any difference, though there’s no harm in trying.

I have asthma, but I don’t think I’m actually allergic to anything, ex cept maybe dust.

(note: the ramblings below do not indicate any kind of medical qualifications whatsoever, I’m just a fellow wheezer who reads obsessively).

I had to look up Seretide - thought at first it was just Serevent (salmeterol) but I see it’s the same combination as Advair, just a different name. It’s fluticasone which is a steroid, and salmeterol which is a long-acting bronchodilator.

250/50 is not a high dose, especially if he’s just taking 2 puffs a day. I was on Flovent (fluticasone only) for a long time, and my dosage was a 220 microgram inhaler, 2 puffs twice a day (so 880 mcg). Seretide seems to be available in a 500/50 combination (500 mcg of fluticasone). Taking that twice a day would be comparable to what I was taking .

There are differences in the amount absorbed in the different inhaler types (dry versus aerosol); I don’t know if Seretide is a dry powder inhaler or an aerosol inhaler.

From some recent reading I’ve been doing - and assuming I’ve interpreted it correctly! - dry powder may give better availability of the medication versus an aerosol (because of larger aerosol particles getting stuck in the throat, poor timing of the aerosol etc.) but dry powder of course depends on your being able to breathe in with enough force.

How often is he using the salbutamol (for us Yanks, that’s albuterol e.g. Ventolin, Pro-Air etc.)? If it’s more than a couple times a week that’s an official sign that his asthma is inadequately controlled.

What kind of response does he get when he takes it? Does he feel better? Is he using a peak flow meter? That can be a very good way to track his response, and I’ve heard it can help alert people to worsening asthma even before they feel bad (not so for me, I’ve never had a bad reading that I couldn’t have told you about before I blew into the tube).

The impression I get from doing all the reading lately is that of the long-acting beta agonists (salmeterol a.k.a. Serevent, and formoterol a.k.a. foradil) is that formoterol is slightly preferred from a safety/efficacy standpoint, though I don’t think there’s a strong argument for a switch if one is working OK. Of course, the dual-medication inhalers with formoterol, Symbocort and Dulera, use a slightly less potent steroid (budesonide or mometasone) so there’s a tradeoff there.

I would strongly urge you to get his sorry ass to the doctor for a thorough workup. His medication may be inappropriate, or not the right dose.

There are other things to try as well - for example a brief course of oral steroids, adding a leukotriene inhibitor such as Singulair (a once-daily pill), a garden-variety antihistamine, or even the dinosaur of asthma control, theophylline! That one’s fun - I’ve been on it for over 25 years, and all efforts to quit it have failed (I forgot to take it a couple of mornings recently and my lungs told me I’d done a stoopid thing).

It’s also possible that there are other things going on that mimic asthma - this is something I’m personally looking into for myself right now (e.g. reflux, sinus issues, apnea) where all the asthma meds in the world won’t help much. The pulmonologist told me that with these mimics, you may feel a little better with a puff of the rescue inhaler (salbutamol/albuterol) but your breathing tests won’t show that improvement.

Certainly it’s worth taking steps to control the allergens. I don’t know that taking the mattress out into the sunlight would make that big a difference, because the mites can live in side the mattress. The evidence for mattress covers may be weak but it couldn’t hurt (except the pocketbook) to give it a try. Replacing pillows is also a cheap and easy thing to try. Doctors used to be quite draconian and demand that you remove anything remotely soft from the bedroom (rugs, drapes, teddy bears etc.) but I think they’ve backed off on that!!

Don’t be afraid to investigate controlling your allergies alone, I didn’t respond to Leukotriene modifiers at all. However a daily dose of generic Clairitin has been amazing at preventing attacks, a miracle med and no doctor ever suggested it.

He might well not have symptoms at all, if the dust mites are truly the only trigger. There’s always the chance that he might tend to have a flare if he catches a respiratory infection (about the only time I have real trouble personally), or if he later becomes sensitized to other allergens.

Neti: Maybe, maybe not. If sinusitis is a trigger for asthma (or makes him feel like the asthma is bad), it might help, though personally I haven’t found that it does much for me. Again, won’t hurt to try.

And as far as “asthma attacks making it worse” - depends on your definition of “asthma attack” and “making it worse”. He definitely does need to have the correct medications, and take them responsibly, or he’ll increase his risk of having a bad flareup which could indeed make him a lot sicker in the short term. If you look at it as a scale from 1 to 10, where a bad cold bumps you up 4-5 points on a scale: being at 1-2 most days (because of adequately controlled asthma) versus being at 4-5 (less well controlled) would make the difference between being able to handle a flare yourself (or with a visit to the doctor) and needing to go to the ER because “these knobs go to 11” and he’s in real danger.

What kind of doctor has he seen for this? If he goes back to his primary care doctor and doesn’t get a good handle on things there, it might be worth a workup with a pulmonologist or allergist. He should also ask about the mimics (google “asthma mimics” and you’ll get a lot of hits) to see if some things should be explored there.

Oh, and if he does visit a specialist: I’m not saying someone’s asthma must be managed by a specialist; I am a firm believer that a primary care doctor should be able to handle most asthma patients on a day to day basis or even during a “routine” flare. But I also think it’s worth a quick sanity check every few years especially if things aren’t well controlled, or you’re changing things up (both of which prompted me to go for a consult recently; hadn’t seen a specialist in 15+ years at that point).

For the OP: don’t just bump up the Seretide without discussing it with the doctor. The higher doses have more of the fluticasone, but NOT more of the salmeterol with its attendant risks and side effects. Obviously you’ve (SciFiSam) discussed this with your doctor, but there are reasons for not just increasing it versus going to the higher-dose varient (500/50 vs 250/50).

Yes, Symbicort and Seretide are similar - both have a LABA (long-acting bronchodilator) and inhaled steroid. The steroids have different potencies of course. There’s a lot of stuff out there on the web that suggests they’re now starting to recommend using Symbicort as a rescue inhaler as well as a control inhaler (I gather they are not recommending that with Seretide yet).

As a side vent: I really, REALLY dislike combination meds. I mean, I understand the reasoning in this case: better patient compliance, maybe lower copays, and ensures that you don’t take the LABA without the steroid (I believe that’s supposed to be safer than LABAs alone)… but it does keep you from being able to titrate the doses individually if needed. If I’m having a rough time, I can take an extra puff or two of the steroid inhaler while waiting to see the doc, but I am not supposed to do that with the Symbicort.

Wow thanks everyone, this is great advice. I showed him the thread and guess what? Appointment on Thursday! Guess where I’ll be turning next time I need something done around the house… :smiley:

Anyway, lots to think about and ask the doc. He has previously seen a specialist (can’t remember if it was a pulmonologist or allergist, it was a few years ago), and has been checked by his own doc since then. His last check up was a year ago. They tested his reaction to Ventolin, and he didn’t really react, but the doctor said it could be because it was the morning (?!) or because it wasn’t long since he had taken the seretide.

He doesn’t take the Ventolin very often, because if a doctor says to him that it’s for emergencies he takes that very literally. Also, he says it doesn’t help much when he does take it. But basically, he will often just keep on wheezing rather than take the Ventolin.

The idea of asthma mimics is very interesting. His nose is always blocked and he feels like his throat is sort of congested or swollen. He used to have very bad apnea when he was on SSRIs, but he’s off those now and it cleared up (big yay for me). I thought getting rid of the apnea would help him feel rested after sleeping, but he complains of being tired all the time. (But really, who knows what being tired means? Maybe it’s the depression again…)

Googling mimics now…

This got me into life threatening trouble, since I was a small child the best rescue inhaler for my asthma was Primatene Mist an epinephrine inhaler so I used it and things were fine. Then I left the USA and all that was available was Ventolin, it didn’t really help at all so I had to use more and more of it and I was still wheezing.

Then one day I had a severe attack and the Ventolin wasn’t helping and I ended up passing out and waking up in the ER after they injected me with epinephrine, my wife said I turned blue and no one could detect breathing. I realized after that I was crazy to ignore it, if a rescue inhaler isn’t working you have no safety net at all.

I think I remember you posting about that on the boards in the past. :eek:.

The take-away lesson is for patients to be more informed and learn to recognize when things aren’t going right, and when to go for help.

Of course, when my asthma is really really bad, my judgment can become dangerously impaired. There was a time 3-4 years ago when I was having a flareup (due to respiratory infection). I had an appointment for the following day, but by early afternoon I could tell it was getting bad so I phoned the doc’s office to see if they could at least phone in some antibiotics and/or prednisone and/or nebulized albuterol to get me through the night. The receptionist phoned back and said “doc is really busy, she says just keep tomorrow’s appointment”. To which I said “uh, OK” instead of “this is urgent, I will be going to the ER”. And wound up basically sitting up all night, unable to breathe or sleep. :smack:

Gracer: your husband should definitely discuss an asthma management plan with the doctor(s) - i.e. what to do daily, what are the signs to look for when it’s getting worse, what to do then, when to call doc, when to call ambulance… it’s something I need to do as well!! I mean, I’m fairly well educated for a “civilian” but obviously I still make mistakes!!

Oh yes, like I said at the start of that paragraph, going to the doctor is definitely a good idea.

Gracer, that’s interesting - it does sound as though something else is going on. If the ventolin isn’t helping, but not because he’s been overusing it, that’s not something a doctor should be shrugging off.

Mama zappa, what antibiotics would have helped you? I thought prednisone would take longer to take effect? I’m a bit confused.

Another question: it’s basically going to be a life of no carpets ever again right? Is there any way out of this at all?

Not that I had my heart set on a life filled with carpet, but our downstairs neighbours, who we are on very good terms with, have been hinting lately at how they hear me “laugh”. I kinda knew what they were probably saying, but last time I saw them they giggled how they hear me “laugh” and the floor/ceiling of the bedroom must be very thin. Ho hum. :eek:

So carpet: is it in any way an option? At all? Please?

BTW I’m writing all the suggestions down for the doctor! I googled the mimics, and none of them seem to fit. They did do lots of tests on his lungs originally, and they tested different things then because we didn’t know what it was.

Seretide is notorious for causing sinus problems, everything from deafness to toothaches to headaches to stuffiness to the feeling eyeballs are about to explode. A neti pot or other sinus rinse can help a lot.

I mention it because if you don’t know about it the ensuing snuffling and general blahs can be misinterpreted as allergic reactions.