To add to this sort-of off-topic exchange, the need for the “necessary strength” also is because of the antidepressants–the depressive moods ensuing after getting fat from those very medicines. It can be a bad loop.
Don’t forget the ‘assload.’ That’s exactly how much butter should be used. 1 assload.
eta: also shit-ton, Although not relevant for this recipe.
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[li]I am another (formerly) overweight person and I’ve always loved vegetables. FOr every anecdotal “fat person who hates vegetables” you can come up with, I can rebut with a skinny person who only eats carbs and protein. So, to the OP, bite me.[/li][li]As rebutted earlier, grits are never ever ever made with lard. The stupidest Southerner on earth would never use lard with grits. All the other “points” Shagnasty made about Southern food & obesity are ridiculous. People are overweight for a whole host of reasons, and it’s not limited to a few regional foods. In the South, as in other parts of the country, obesity rates are due to the explosion of fast/processed foods, portion sizes, and sedentary lifestyles.[/li][li]Also, authentic grits are NOT made with milk.[/li][li]POLENTA, however, can sometimes be made with milk. For Shagnasty again, if you think grits is a reason for Southern weight issues, here’s a clue: Grits are white cornmeal (to shortcut and simplify a long explanation about the history of grits). Polenta is yellow cornmeal. Nutritionally they are the same if prepared the same way. Also, Yankees historically ate cornmeal mush, which is more or less polenta. The difference is that Yankees usually slathered mush with maple syrup or similar.[/li][/ol]
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And if the burned verses are from the Koran, you’ve got more problems than excess calories.
In my own vast experience, overweight people overeat vegetables along with everything else. Though if it’s late at night and your stomach is sabotaging your diet, what it sneaks off to the refrigerator to get is not a bowl of carrots.
Antidepressants can really mess with your digestion. Some cause people to gain weight, others cause people to lose weight through either a side effect of appetite supression or just giving them a constant case of the shits.
These are chemicals that can mess with more than just your attitude and perhaps you should learn about it before you make such comments. Better alive and overweight than a well-shaped suicide victim IMO.
Chromium could be a factor. Green leafy vegetables are a prime source of chromium, which helps regulate blood sugar. No g.l.v. =reduced chromium, unless you take supplements, and most of those will have an amount varying between 30-60% of the recommended daily allowance.
I am as Southern as it gets. I am from northern Louisiana and live in Massachusetts now but it is turtles all the way down back to Jamestown before that. I would make excuses for my grits statement but I can’t because I just screwed up. I was typing while thinking about a traditional Southern breakfast cooked in the movie My Cousin Vinnie and conflated a few different things without paying attention. It is strange who people get fascinated with grits and even make fun of them when essentially the same thing is considered exotic and trendy when it is rebranded as a European import or something. Still, a whole lot of Southern people really are fat and the stats reflect that.
Is it really possible to ‘overeat’ vegetables? With the exception of starchy ones, they have so few calories, even with added fats, and plenty of bulk. Even if you eat so many vegetables that you can’t fit any more food in your stomach, it’s a tiny fraction of the calories you would get from stuffing yourself full of anything else.
I’d say it’s easy to make vegetables unhealthy and it’s easy to prepare vegetables so healthy that you can barely overeat them.
For instance, 10 whole cups of steamed carrots is only 500 calories, and I don’t know anyone who could eat 10 cups of carrots. 10 cups of cucumber is only 160 calories. You’d have to eat 130 cups of cucumber to hit 2000 calories for the day.
On the other hand, there’s 190 calories in one serving of KFC cole slaw and 11 grams of fat.
Broccoli with cheese sauce. Spinach Artichoke Dip, Guacamole … all veggie dishes with inordinate numbers of calories.
Actually, if you are strict Atkins [or diabetic where every type of carb counts] some veggies are considered carbs because of the natural sugar content. If you check something like the USDA nutritional breakdown site, onion, 100 grams breaks down to 40 calories and 9.34 g of carbs, 100 grams celery on the other hand is 16 calories and 2.97 g of carbs If you had to count every scrap of carb which would you think was better to eat?
Part of the whole diet issue is in the ‘glycemic index’ which amounts roughly to how fast your body can process it from carb generic into glucose in the bloodstream. The more complex the carb is [the further it is from glucose breakdown, such as whole grain wheat complete with the hull as opposed to processed white flour] the better it is. Fruits are easier to break down into glucose than vegetables, fruit juice is about like drinking sugar water [at least if you eat the whole fruit you get fiber] and drenching the veggies in high calorie and high fat sauces totally screws with why you would want a high veggie diet to lose weight in the first place.
I suspect this is an “it always rains after you wash your car” situation. You notice when a very fat person expresses a dislike for vegetables. You don’t notice as much when someone who is not fat says the same thing.
Also, a “dislike for vegetables” is a very wide target. It’s possible that you’re noticing when a fat person says they dislike any vegetable, prepared in any way, and jumping to the conclusion that they “dislike vegetables”. Most people probably dislike some vegetable prepared in some way. It’s possible you’re grouping the okra-haters and brussels-sprout-haters all together as hating vegetables, when in reality some people who can’t stand okra love brussels sprouts (that would be me), and vice versa.
Don’t make me give up my vegetables just because I’m fat!
It tends to be the veggies that grow below the ground that are fattening and that is because of how they are often prepared. Potatoes, parsnips (way high in sugar), and carrots, get glazed, mashed and then drenched in butter or cheese. I’d rather have broccoli myself.
My weight has more to do with the fact that I like ice cream, cheese, and guacamole in addition to liking vegetables.
Not a ton to say here, but just chiming in to mention that I don’t think the OP’s assumption speaks to reality.
I know plenty of fat folks (myself included) who like vegetables. Contrary to many assumptions, there are absolutely fat vegetarians (and even fat vegans).
The ONLY people I know who “hate vegetables” are, in fact, thin. One is a very light / picky eater, the other three are prodigious eaters who subsist on meat, carbs, and soda, but simply don’t gain weight.
This is your observation, and it’s not born out by my observations. Technically, I am hovering on the “obese” section of some scales, and I love green salads, broccoli, carrots, nice real tomatoes, etc.
Now there is one part of this which has a tiny bit of truth- the easiest “diet” to get obese on is the American Fast Food “diet”, which is very low in most vegetables, except maybe as a garnish or potatoes. But most really obese dudes I know will still like veggies, just that they eat hwaaaay too much junk food.
So, your hypothisis does not stand the test of evidence.
You can overeat anything. The veggies alone aren’t usually the problem, but they get boring without some kind of seasoning. Unfortunately, for most people, that means butter, cheese sauce, dip, or some other calorically-dense topping. There are ways to make these toppings lighter, but they still add calories.
Now that’s really interesting. I didn’t know that. And on reflection, I can say that my friends who won’t eat vegetables do seem to be the same ones who have more obvious mood swings.
–but I really came in to say this: ARTICHOKES! I loooove artichokes! And they are just terrific this year. Mmmmmmmmmmm…