Alternate histories of science and technological development (long and speculative)

(AKA, “reorder the Civ tech tree.”)

This question is being prompted by a weekend viewing of 2001: A Space Odyssey and subsequent contemplation of The Edit, i.e. the famous moment when the flying bone turns into a high-tech satellite. If you know that in the filmmakers’ mind the satellite is an orbiting nuclear-missile platform, then the collapsing of millions of years of history by cutting from one weapon to another might be interpreted as a specific anthropological assertion by the film, i.e. that the basic driving force in the development of human civilization is and always has been the arms race: Whichever tribe is most effective at attacking its neighbors and/or defending from attacks gets to take the lead in making the rules everybody else has to follow.

That’s not the central question of the thread. It’s just my starting point.

As I pondered this idea, I thought about the sweep of history to see whether or not the thesis would hold water. And in particular, I wondered whether or not there was any particular reason our technologies had to develop in the specific order they did — that is, if the web of conceptual prerequisites, associated developments, and investigatory technologies means the march of intellectual progress had to proceed more or less the way it did in our history, or if there might have been other paths.

So that’s the main question I’m offering for consideration: Are there possible alternate histories of science and technology? Obviously some breakthroughs would not have been possible without prior breakthroughs (you don’t get radio until you understand electromagnetics, for example), but how dependent, hypothetically, might the whole structure of discovery and application really be on the relationships between its mulifarious components?

(For those who know the games, it’s possibly useful to think about the question in terms of the tech tree in Sid Meier’s Civilization series. You don’t get chariots until you know horses; you don’t get modern hospitals until you understand sanitation; you don’t get soldiers with rifles until you’ve had soldiers with muskets; and so on. It’s a simplification, obviously, but it’s still a useful construct. In Civ III, at least, within a given “page,” you’re free to drive toward a given advance and disregard the other threads of investigation for the time being: e.g. “the Monarchy gambit.” But it’s still necessary to complete the required items on a given historical page before you can move on to the next period: stone age to bronze age, industrial to modern, etc. The question is how reflective of reality, even hypothetically, this really is.)

For example: Is there any particular reason telescopes did not arrive in Europe until the Renaissance? Would it have been possible, with the proper conceptual leap, for the Romans to have figured out how to fabricate, grind, and polish their own lenses? The idea to do so aside, is there any technological barrier to their having done this? Is there anything else they might have stumbled across “ahead of their time”? (Along these lines, I vaguely recall a Dope thread in which somebody observed that the technology behind Edison’s wax-cylinder “record player” was more or less available for hundreds of years before it was assembled in the proper combination.)

Now, obviously, there needs to be a guiding principle by which we can evaluate whether or not an alternate path is plausible. That principle, to me, is this: the immediate practicality of the knowledge in question. Consider: Since mathematics is almost entirely conceptual, I see no reason why a few decades of concerted effort by the ancient Greeks would not have produced the calculus millennia early, except that without practical benefits arising from the work, there’s no reason to devote the effort to it. Yes, humans are curious creatures by nature, and we figure stuff out all the time without any reward for it. But at the same time, the cultural infrastructure must exist to support its intellectuals and free them to pursue their investigations: the society must be rich, and they must be stable for long enough to permit continuity of research. With these in place, good ideas can be pursued and brought to fruition. That’s why I used the telescope as my first example, because in the context of the military applications with which I began this post, the telescope confers a real, inarguable, and immediate benefit to its user. A seaside city that gets a few hours of additional warning before the invading horde arrives will have a huge advantage in organizing and executing its defense, or at least its evacuation. By contrast, I can’t think of a single really compelling reason why a voice-recording-and-playback contraption would have caught on in Imperial Rome or China. The telescope, therefore, is an invention that will “stick” whenever it appears; and the observation of heavenly bodies, and the conclusions drawn from this, will naturally follow sooner or later.

(This makes me think about a larger associated question, regarding whether great swaths of modern science are in danger of stalling in their practical applications — we’re afraid of genetic engineering and are throwing up social and political roadblocks, we’re not capable of traveling to the stars we study long-distance, we haven’t been able to figure out how to make computers truly think, we’ve squeezed just about every drop of efficiency out of our current petrochemical, nuclear, solar, and mechanical energy generation technologies, and so on. We’re still progressing by leaps and bounds in other areas, but with the exception of the Internet, it’s been a while since we’ve had a real Killer App like the automobile or a flight to the moon to reassure the mainstream population that our investigations are bearing tangible fruit. Indeed, the opposite force, the Pandora’s Box idea, a fear that is always with us that we’re learning too much too fast, might be gaining power as our scientists work on more and more distantly obscure research that fails to filter in any meaningful way into society at large, and as simultaneously the spread of previous knowledge increases our risk and anxiety, e.g. “make ricin at home for fun and prophet.” We might have entangled ourselves in a life-and-death race, whereby the stability of civilization depends on the scientists and technologists delivering on their promises, either explicit, e.g. space tourism, or implicit, e.g. the general idea that an active, energetic, and independent knowledge-producing industry is actually a good thing. In other words, I’m wondering if history can be viewed as a cycling of Birth, Death, and Rebirth of what we now call Modernism. Obviously, this is a much larger question, and really deserves its own thread, whenever I get around to better refining the idea.)

So, anyway, my own attempt to hijack my thread aside ;), what do you think about the main question I raised above? Could a lucky happenstance of coiled wire and rotating magnets have brought the mastery of electricity centuries before it happened? Might a fortunate breakthrough in optics have put a microscope on the desk of Vesalius? What impact would the development of even a primitive form of movable type have had on the Library of Alexandria and its overall mission to produce and distribute books and knowledge?

Please, O Genius Dopers, speculate away. :slight_smile:

That’s a lot to take in. I’d like to point out that there’s really no reason why technologies couldn’t have been gained and lost. We know relatively little about our own history and I think it’s perfectly reasonable even to assume that with the rise and fall of empires would come the rise and fall of knowledge.
Not to mention that there are probably plenty of inventions that could have caught on but didn’t. It’s a fun mental exercise, but I’m not sure where you really want to go with this.
Like for example, maps dating from the early exploration of California, particularly the waterways in the San Francisco Bay area, show a level of accuracy that is impossible to re-create today without the use of aerial photography. We have these maps from several hundred years ago, but we don’t understand how they were made so accurately. THAT suggests a level of skill or technology that has been lost.
Or like those giant lines and flattened mountain tops and mountain illustrations down in South America. How’d they make those lines so straight? How’d they level the top of a mountain off completely flat? How could they draw a character visible only from the air? I don’t know what any of these skills or technologies really would do for us today though.

Ah, Grasshopper, it is time for you to discover the wonder that is James Burke and his Knowledge Web Project. He has spent a life time tracing the connections between historical events and inventions, demonstrating how the Egyptian plow led to the development of nuclear weapons. You might also find Ancient Engineers and Ancient Inventions. These books dispell the myths that ancient people were semi-literate savages.

To provide a little stimulous to your thoughts, I’ll point you in the direction of Hero and his steam engine., which he built in the first century AD. He used it, and similar mechanical wonders for “parlor tricks” so that priests at the temples could impress their followers. Most of his inventions fell out of disuse following his death, only to be rediscovered centuries later. A replica of his steam engine can be seen here about midway down the page.

Yeah, and don’t forget the places on the maps where they say, “HERE BE DRAGONS.” Modern technology hasn’t done a damn thing on the dragon-finding front. How DID they find all those dragons back in the day?

Probably wizards. That’s my guess.

I believe all technological advances are dependant on “modal perspective”. Sometimes resources don’t really have an apparent use until they have a matching consumer that is usually dependant on our technological advance for its utilization, practicality dictates our advances, i.e. Uranium/Nuc. Energy (subsequently weapons). Petroleum/Cars, plastics. In a way, function would seem to follow form. We divine and mine something in an elemental way to discover its most basic nature, its use and greater meaning are sometimes not readily apparent until we coalesce that discovery into human dimensions (time, place, perspective.). The truths are there but we decide their use either accidently or with intense purpose.

Exercise is its own reward. :slight_smile:

Tuckerfan: I’m a big fan of James Burke. The stuff he does greatly informs my thinking on this; I should have mentioned him. Thanks for the reminder that I can go back to the source.

Re technology that might have been discovered early and made a big difference: consider gunpowder. It’s merely a chemical combination of a few things that were just laying around, waiting to be mixed. There’s absolutely no reason Gilgamesh couldn’t have had a handful of M-80s, for example; somebody just needed to drop their chocolate in somebody else’s peanut butter, so to speak. So if that happened, what would follow? That’s what I’m trying to get at here, thinking about the alternate courses of cultural and technological development if the accidental discoveries had come in a different order.

Thanks so far. Keep 'em coming!

Well, the problem with Gilgamesh stumbling across gunpowder is that without iron age technology, weaponry is going to be fairly limited, though it might spur metallurgical development.

But if you give the formula for gunpowder to an iron age society (say, the Romans), then you’re going to have a massive wave of expansion by the Empire, which is easily going to crush all opposition to it (at least until some crafty arms dealer desides to make money by selling to both sides…). This should spur further technological development, because it appears that the more contact a society has with outside societies, the faster its technological development.

Now, one of the variables that there’s no way to account for, is the vigor of the Roman leaders. An intelligent Roman leader is soon going to be searching for a method of rapid communication, because it’s going to be difficult to keep tabs on the far reaches of the Empire using messengers and signal fires. It’s possible that the Romans could have developed something like the telegraph (since they did have knowledge of magnets and could make wire) or someone could have adapted Hero’s steam engine to power a chariot, and thus ushered in the industrial revolution centuries earlier.

Of course, a drooling idiot of an Emperor (say, Caligua), is simply going to split the Empire up, as did happen. Which means that there’s going to be the possibility of a technological collapse as happened in our own history.

Antoher variable that can throw a wrench in everything is what the prevailing philosophy of the day is. Medical advancement was greatly inhibited by the taboo various ancient societies placed on autopsying corpses, and certain Greek philosophers looked down on the idea of actually performing experiments.

What you’re going to need to make sure a technological innovation sticks are the following:
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[li]Rapid means of communication.[/li][li]A society that’s willing to accept technological innovation.[/li][li]A dedicated group of individuals or organizations working to advance technology.[/li][li]A society which is somewhat expansionist in nature (they don’t have to be a conquering nation like Rome, but they can’t be isolationist like China).[/li][li]A large population of well educated individuals.[/li][/ul]