Am I doing my son/kids a disservice by not buying them an Xbox?

I have always been anti-video game.

It comes from the very beginning of when Pong was released and my brothers or friends would hog the stinking game and I rarely ever got a chance.

Then Atari came out and my cousins ( all boys) hogged the game(s) and I rarely ever got a chance.

My only video game outlet was centipede and pac man at the arcade.
I see video games as a tremendous time waster and brain waster. I see the boys in my 7 year old class talk nonstop about it and sit in front of the TV way too much.

I feel these years, until, I don’t know, 12 or so, should be used for play and imagination. I allow computer and on line games with limits ( no violence or busty chickies.) but we are the only family in my son’s circle of friends who does not own an Xbox.

When kids come over here, they are really lost. The mom’s love it and I toss them outside to play.

My daughter really doesn’t care that much about games. She’ll play for a bit, but get bored. She’s five and reading hasn’t clicked yet with her like it has with her brother.

Philosophically, I have no problems never getting an Xbox. My husband is the same way. We view it as a real brain waster.

Realistically, I have watched my son not be able to join in conversations at school because we are practically Amish over here at Chateau Ujest. I saw the same thing when he was in kindergarten and loved Pokemon cards. I hated them greately, but after watching a near school year pass and he sat there at the table with his little buddies watching and not being able to trade or duel or even talk about the cards, I bought a pack, studied them and realized they were a benign thing in the grand scheme of life so I got him a pack for Xmas. My son carries his pokemon cards with him everywhere and starts conversations with every boy in his age group about them.

One of my fears is that he become an anti social, monosyllaballic over weight troll boy. Or his grades drop from being in the top of his class to the bottom.

I’ve seen the kids who have little parental involvement who are essentially baby sat by this electronic pacifier (and latch key) and how they seem to be the ones in trouble more because they lack social skills.

Yes, I do see the end of the universe as we know it because of these damn games, but I also would like my son ( and kids) to be able to …be on an even keel as the rest of the kids.
I need advice from the Luddites on this board and the gamers.

We’ve been mdoerates on this topic and I believe it has served us well.

I think there’s a lot to be said for the edcuational aspects of these games. A few years ago my son was in about 5th grade and got Pokemon Gold. It was like he was overseeing some giant work project in order to get the game solved. The phone would ring, he’d answer, listen for a few seconds, say something like “Go through the door on the left, then double click the A button.” Learned a lot about perseverence, planning, teamwork.

Another positive is that once you have them in the home it doesn’t mean they can use them. It’s still fair game to say “After your HW is done and checked, then you can play for an hour.”

An obvious caveat, look out for the extremely violent games.

I, personally, would not buy my 7 year old (my oldest is 10) an XBox. I’ll never have to make that decision, however, because my husband buys every single system within a week of its release date (really).

So my sons get to play on their Dad’s systems. My two oldest boys play the PS2, XBox and Game Cube. They both have at least one game per system that belongs to them or that they share. They also go outside and play and ride their bikes. They also have Pokemon and some other cards whose name I can’t think of at the moment. They also do arts and crafts projects with Mom. They also complete puzzles together and have ‘kitchen time’ with us. They also read books together and with us. They clean their rooms and complete their chores.

I guess I’m trying to say that video game playing can be included in a well-rounded childhood without any adverse effects.

Just getting them a game won’t make them into couch blobs, especially if you encourage outside play too. I set limits on how long they can play, don’t let them have games that I feel are age-inappropriate, and the video games are the first thing that go away if someone gets in trouble.

It’s one of the only things my older son can use to relate to his peers - he’s a little behind them physically, and they’re starting to hit puberty. He’s not, but he can still chat them up about the games. He really pays attention to them too, and concentrates like nobody’s business.

I think they can be misused, but that they’re not evil.

Besides, wouldn’t that score you major Mom points? Dude, that’s pure leverage for getting the garbage taken out and the socks put away!

Like Urban Chic’s husband, I am into the games as well. Consequently we have the Nintendo, Nintendo 64, Nintendo GameCube, Playstation and an XBox (and I already have plans to advance purchase the Xbox 360). On a typical school day they may not play at all as it’s homework, chores then outside to play before dinner. If they’ve been good they may get to play a halfhour to an hour before bed. On weekends or summer vacation they play a bit more on average two hours a day, typically in the middle of the day. For some reason, it seems kids get bored outside around 3 and by 5 I’m shooing them out the door. We cooperate with parents in the neighborhood on keeping the boys and their friends active, so I don’t have to worry that they left the house to go play videogames elsewhere. Most of the neighborhood kids come here to play vids .

My parents didn’t let me and the sibs have video games (or Barbies), and we all turned out just fine. On the other hand, my SO and his brothers grew up playing constantly, and my SO turned out just fine, but he agrees that we’re not gonna have games in the house if we have kiddies.

On second thought, not sure what this could add to the conversation, but I just wanted to throw that out there.

I think that you should let them have an X-Box. I’m in my twenties and grew up with a Nintendo in the house, and so did everyone else I know. It’s a major part of what kids talk about socially and it’s not wholly wasted time – strategy and problem solving, reading comprehension, and so on can be gained (through the right games). Of course, you would want to monitor the types of games that you buy, as a lot of X-Box games are aimed at adults.

Maybe your child could earn it through saving allowances, or doing chores, or good grades? I know that there was nothing sweeter than having saved up for a few months and bought a new Nintendo game to play. I had a very small collection of games as a child and I savored them!

It’s part of our culture now – much like I would say you’re being overly protective to never let your child go to the movies or watch TV, the same would carry to not letting them play video games. Moderation can be enforced without abstaining completely.

Me and my brother (I’m seventeen, and he’s sixteen) have had Gameboys, a Super Nintendo, N64, and currently own a Gamecube. We turned out fine. At this point in life, I usually have much more important things to do, but I find video games relaxing (then again, I find calculus relaxing, so I’m not exactly normal) every once in a while. However, I should mention that neither me nor my brother were ever allowed to play video games on weekdays. It’s not poison, but it can be a time waster.

I guess since I know ZERO about the games: ninendo, Xbox and playstation, I guess I should ask for comments on what system.

Shirley, you would be appalled at my parents’ decisions. My brother has a Ninetendo, Nintendo 64, Playstation 2, Gamecube, Xbox and he plans on buying the Xbox 360. He also has a Gameboy Advance and a PSP. He also has an entire shelf of video games and another shelf of PC games. And he’s 13!

Whatever happened to lying on the couch and reading a really good book, like Harry Potter?!

But the good thing is, my brother is not fat (quite the contrary: he’s taller than me and is really skinny) nor is he anti-social. And he’s been video-gaming before he could hold a pen. He’s got a lot of cool friends and my parents practically interrogate every new friend and his/her parents when they first meet him/her.

However, I think it is a good idea to make limits on what they can play and how long they can play. If my father (he’s the Boy Gamer Major in our family) thinks the latest game is inappropriate, my brother doesn’t argue because 1. he knows how scary our father can be when he’s angry (which is rare) and 2. he also understands the maturity of the game’s content. My bro also buys everything with his own money. He doesn’t get allowance, but he does some odd jobs and such. So, if you feel that an Xbox and the games made for it are too mature for your kids (as mentioned by the other posters here), then it might be a good idea to get them something more kiddie-ish like Super Mario or Pokemon (this could be too kiddie-ish for them, though).

Like Cowgirl said, you could use this to your advantage.

I’m only adding my personal experience, and of course, YMMV.

My father was really into video games. My parents joke around that I was born with a joystick in my hands.
Throughout the years, there was always a video game system of some sort in the house. However, the video gaming itself was always monitered, and we HAD to share. They bought us many games that required two or more players, so we had to work together, compete against each other, or the whole family played. If it was a one player game, each member of the family got a turn, and the time was always monitered loosely, so it was always fair, or fair enough.

As we got older, we each got our own little handhelds when they could afford it. Often, we got games that could be linked up so we could play with each other.

If we fought over a video game, the system was taken away for a while as punishment. Nobody won when we fought. So there was very little fighting.

Today, I get along great with my brother; he is one of my best friends. And we still chat away about our fond memories of playing video games together. Yeah, we’re both geeks, but so what? :wink:
Also, it actually is one of several things that brings my father and I closer together. There are a lot of girly things I can’t talk to him about, but when it comes to video games, suddenly the dam bursts and we are old pals. He wants to bring his Pokemon game out here when he visits so he can kick my ass. :smiley:

Even my mother! She plays some “nice” games (we got her a GameCube a couple years ago so she could play Animal Crossing!) and sometimes she’ll call me up and say something cryptic like “So, what is the price of turnips in your town?” Sometimes my husband will raise an eyebrow when he hears me on the phone with Mom, and I’ll just mouth “Animal Crossing” at him, and he nods in understanding. And laughs. Today, my husband and I play many games together, from system games to MMORPGs.

I don’t know if it made us any brighter, though I could see it easily teaching some co-ordination skills, teamwork, problem solving, etc. But it has been one way of keeping us all pretty close.

You know, it’s hard to say. We always had videogames growing up - Atari, NES, Sega Genesis, PS1 (ok I was 25 when I had that) but we didn’t have cable until I was like a senior in high school. We were also involved in sports and such so we had other things to do than play videogames all day.

First of all, they are kids. They are supposed to “waste time” doing fun things. I mean what the fuck do you think they would be doing instead? Curing cancer?

Second, what you don’t want is for them to spend all damn day playing videogames. Get them involved in sports or some creative activity where they can socialize and get out of the damn house.

Third, videogames are part of the culture. I don’t think help your kids by withholding things that everyone is into.

And finally, me aware of the kinds of games your kids are into. I’m 32 and I enjoy Grand Theft Auto. I’m pretty sure I would not want my kid playing it (unless he could help me KILL that motherfucker!!).

As a male who always wanted an atari 1200
YES

Background: I’m pretty close to a lifelong gamer. My parents got me an Atari to play with my dad when I was three; when I was five, I got a FamiCom for my birthday; I still have it and it still (mostly, on a good day under the right phase of the moon) works; I’ve loved it to pieces. I’m a textbook case of everything you’ve said should never happen; I played Wolfenstein with my dad from the time I was six, DOOM by the time I was eight, and when I was twelve, I saved my allowance for four months to be about the third person in line to buy Quake when it came out. It turned out that my computer was too slow to play it, but hey! I was the first kid on the block with Quake; I took it over to a friend’s house and we played until my dad came over and told me dinner was waiting. “Busty chickies,” nothing, at twelve I played Tomb Raider, figured out how to use the nude patch when my parents weren’t looking, started trading porn with my buddies over SneakerNet, and started TinySex within another year. I’m not going to recommend giving your kids as much freedom as I stole (I was a sneaky little bastard), but I think I turned out okay.

Right now I live in a house with four other guys and just about every major system from the Genesis up (Genesis, Dreamcast, SNES, N64, PS1, PS2, XBox, GameCube, a handful of GameBoys of various stripes, six or so PCs of varying gaming-worthiness, and one of us just ordered a PSP). Every one of us is pretty close to a lifelong gamer (I started youngest, at 3; Tony started oldest, a little before his sixth birthday). There isn’t a man among us who averages less than half an hour a day gaming, usually violently (that’s me on the low end); Mark averages about four. Ironically enough, he has the second-highest GPA.

Now then:

Frankly, looking around, I’d say that the “brain-waster” theory is so full of it that its eyes went brown.

The lowest GPA in the house is 2.7 (a guy who works two jobs); the highest is 3.8. Most of us clump at the higher end. None of us went below 3.5 in high school. We have a low SAT score of 1310 and a high of 1520. We have an artist in one of the best animation programs in the country and an engineer in the top EE (Okay, tied with MIT; forgive me). Except for Mark, we all pay our own rent, cook our own food, and pay (almost) all of our own bills; our parents only help out with our (public-school) tuitions and let the three cars piggyback on insurance plans (much nicer rates that way). None of us even borders on overweight; the heaviest of us could barely be called stocky. Me, I’m a stick (a touch shy of 5’10", 125 lbs, about 5% fat last time I got a physical).

I think, for students ranging from a sophomore to an upcoming supersenior, we’re doing pretty well for ourselves. None of us feel damaged by our two decades of gaming. We’re reasonably socially adjusted, though we tend more towards quirky little subcultures (indie film and music nerdity rule the house, with art, writing, airsoft, and anime bringing up the rear) than the mainstream. Sure, we’ll sit around and yammer for hours about Halo or WoW, but we’ll do exactly the same thing about WWII, comedy routines, Jorge Louis Borges (three hours straight one weekend), or anything else that happens to catch our interests. That’s… what we do. That’s what we’ve done for years.

I expect, actually, that most of us would say that our lives would be substantially poorer without video games, on one level or another. If anything, console games are better for socialization than PC games. Even in a multiplayer game, there’s only one guy at a time on the PC. On the XBox, there can be four of us. They’re great social lubricant, especially now, as games get increasingly multiplayer. When we sit around playing Halo, shouting and pounding each other on the backs, the point isn’t really the game; it’s hanging out with your buddies, just like if we were playing football or whatever you’d have us do. Some of our best friends in the dorms were made when they stuck their heads in the door, attracted by one particularly cool-looking game or another. No matter how loud my dad and I will shout at each other sometimes, we can always fire up the PlayStation and have at each other, and we know things will work out. If it weren’t for that, I’d be surprised if we even spoke with each other.

Even the TinySex was beneficial; better writers are more desirable partners, so I worked at it, and I got a whole lot of practice in. Today, I make coffee money editing papers for other people around school, even the PhD students. I credit the TinySex. Oh, sure, it jaded me, but I take that as a good thing: I have no real desire to hook up with anyone. Sex is just exercise. If I don’t have a meaningful, emotional connection to someone, what’s the point? Isn’t that a great social value?

I suspect, actually, that enforcing total console-game deprivation might actually promote that sort of addiction (it does happen) that you’re so afraid of (and there’s the cultural-deprivation thing that msmith537 mentioned). Me, I play about half an hour of games a day; it’s not a special thing, just a way to entertain myself. It’s always been a part of my life on one level or another. I have a friend whose parents neurotically banned videogames for him, even calling his friends’ parents when he went over and telling them he couldn’t play. When he got to college, he moved his stuff in, bought his books, and then, first thing, walked over to the E.B. and bought himself an XBox. He’d heard how great it was and wanted to see; it was a symbolic thing for him, this way of asserting that he was a grown-up. He never figured out how to moderate; he’s been on and off academic probation since, just barely clinging to the graduation path.

I think that’s the key. You have to learn to moderate. Video games are perfectly fine, as long as you don’t let them take over, as long as you take care of your schoolwork, as long as you’re playing them with someone, instead of just the machine. It’s a social nexus, just like when families used to gather around the radio, or the TV, way back in yesteryear. If things start to slip, don’t cut it off; that feels punitive and unfair. Cut back and enforce moderation. Really, that’s it. It’s that simple. It’s how you approach it. If your kid becoems an antisocial, monosyllabic, overweight troll boy, if he lacks social skills because he was babysat by the electronic pacifier, it’s not because the Machine Is Evil ™; it’s because you, the parent, let him.

Sidenote: I would exercise a little more caution today than I did back when I was that age; video games are a lot more sophisticated and arguably less morally clear. Quake was a man on a mission to save the world from demons that fell over in pre-chosen death animations; GTA is a punk on a crime spree, killing people who die in unique and clever ways depending on the weapon and hit location at hand. Manhunt just made me want to shower afterwards. You don’t have to coddle your kids (and I suspect that that’s more detrimental than anything), but do exercise some discretion.

I think that a complete lack of video games would be a disservice, as a similar lack of any other entertainment and cultural system would be. Almost as bad as no books, or no TV, or no music! That said it is easy to get too much of a good thing and for it to become a bad thing. With video games the parent has quite some control in chosing what games your children may have and in limiting how much tiome they spend with those games. But things like dance pads can be extrememly phrenetic exercise for children, strategy games and adventure games can improve problem solving skills especially good when friends can work together at such things. Even the most banaal shoot-em-uips will improve hand eye coordination which is not an unimportant skill these days.
That said there are many games that many parents would consider unsuitable for their children (due to violence, adult theme, etc.) so if you get a system for your children you need to take interest in it, and be aware of what games your children own and are borrowing. Finally video games are one of the first things at which adults and children can compete together at an equal level of ability, so if you can find an interest in them yourself it can be a good bonding experience to play together.

I enjoy video games. I’ve owned at least one console from every generation since the NES. I don’t believe there’s anything inherently wrong with video games as a form of recreation. Are you doing your children a disservice by not purchasing a console of some sort? No, and don’t believe anyone who says that you are. You’re children will not grow up socially inept, unable to solve problems or work with others, nor will they be social pariahs just because they don’t play video games.

Marc

Kids don’t become anti-social monosyllabic overweight trolls because of videogames, kids become anti-social monosyllabic overweight trolls because of bad parenting (which sometimes happens to deal with video games). Seriously…what is the mechanism by which the game would turn your kid into that, where you wouldn’t intervene? Presumably the video game system won’t provide his breakfast, lunch and dinner, nor prevent him from spending time with other people, nor prevent him from reading books. They do come with an off switch, conveniently pointed out in the manual.

And do you plan on being a parent with low involvement in your child’s life? You say they’re babysat by the machines…that’s a decision the parent makes. Make it.

I think that’s a horribly misinformed viewpoint, and I think it’s a tremendous disservice to your son to not at least reconsider why you feel this way, and come to a rational conclusion.

My has the Xbox and without a doubt we will also purchase the 360 when it arrives, but we have rules some written some told.
He has to “earn” time to play the Xbox, take out the trash get 15min, get a good weekly school report 20min, keep your room clean for the week 15min, and more. The thing is he can lose the same amount of time by not doing one of the above. But the max he can earn in one week combined is 1 1/2 hours (same with TV but 2 hours not interchangable) He can use it on the day he earned it or he can “bank” it to use in one larger chunk.
In the winter I expand the times a bit because going outside to play is not the best option. But for the most part it seems to work.

The only time he is not allowed to play, is when its nice outside, I simply cannot picture a 10 y/o playing a video game when its perfect “fort building” weather.

As other posters have remarked, I think you have the key here already.

Oop, hit submit too soon.

Look at it this way: video games, much like a sports car or a chainsaw, are a tool. Those who think tools are inherently good or bad are usually derided (except maybe gun control advocates).