I do try real hard not to drop technical or specialized acronyms into my writing unexplained. Though of course I screw that up occasionally too. Thanks for noticing.
AFAIK1 UFN2 is about as well-known as ASAP3. IMHO4 it’s not a technical term.
It would not / did not occur to me that any SDMB5 member reading English at our level wouldn’t immediately recognize what UFN meant. One of the side effects of a few years in the military is you pick up a lot of administrative / bureaucratic jargon that much of the corporate world also uses. But not all. And not everyone has had the “privilege” of working in a corporate bureaucracy.
Because we don’t shut down the country for large flu death counts. The death count itself isn’t the only factor to consider.
We are re-opening bars and restaurants because of that. It’s not an either/or decision and at some point the human economic toll outweighs the human death toll.
I’ve known ASAP for long enough that I’ve forgotten when I learned it, and AFAIK since shortly after I came online. This is the first that I remember running into UFN.
ETA*: huh. I didn’t know superscript disappeared in quotes. Chalk it up to ‘Discourse is weird’, I suppose.
Super & subscript (and lot of other formatting besides) disappear if you create your quote by highlighting some or all of the body of the post then clicking the shadowy "Quote button that appears above your selection.
Conversely…
If with no text highlighted selected, you click the Reply button to a post, then click the speech balloon button to include all the text of the post you’re responding to, then all the poster’s formatting commands appear as well. Then you can edit down the included text as you desire.
My mad psychic debugging skillz tell me you used door number 1 to quote me. Try using door #2 to see the difference.
Basically, you bring up the fact that we don’t shut down the country and the economy seasonally for the flu as a contrast to the response where we did shut down the country and economy for covid. Ergo, it’s disingenuous of you to then complain about Banquet_Bear saying, “Covid-19 isn’t the flu.”
Instead of arguing that you don’t understand what Banquet_Bear doesn’t “understand about the sentence as it relates to shutting down businesses for significant flu deaths”, you could have instead said, “I acknowledge that. My point is to try to examine the differences and whether the differing responses are warranted.” Instead, you act like Banquet_Bear is stupid.
For certain definitions of “controlled”. The point is that it is not a very well controlled manner, and could be much better with better leadership and coordination at the federal level and stronger enforcement at the state and local level and more resources focused on control methods that work. If the spread were under better control, the reopening would make more sense, and be safer. It’s the lack of that control that leads us to need to sustain the restrictions for so long and so tightly.
You want the economy opened up, wear a friggin’ mask and tell all the covid deniers to shut up and fall in line.
The fatality rate of the disease is inching downward, due to improvements in treatments and not overwhelming the hospitals. Rising cases means rising serious cases, which means rising hospitalizations, which are beginning to overload some hospitals and reach into rural areas that were not affected earlier this year. That means there aren’t pools of trained medical professionals to pull from the heartlands and send to the urban centers. They will be too busy at home to help out in New York, etc, like they did last time.
Another reason for the improved fatality rate is that the infections are being documented more, which means catching them spreading in the younger population that seems to have an easier time of it. Thus, the statistics reflect more cases that we weren’t able to know about in the early stages.
None of that reflects that actual death counts are now growing in something like 30 states, some states that weren’t hit the first wave. It’s not just that the number of deaths each day is falling by a smaller and smaller number like it was a month ago, the number of daily deaths is going up.
If with no text highlighted selected, I click the Reply button to a post, I get a blank reply box that references your post in the header, but contains no text of yours whatsoever, formatted or otherwise.
I repeat: Discourse is weird. (That’s not meant as an insult. I’m pretty weird myself; just in other directions.)
ETA: And I don’t see a quote bubble if I hit the reply button. I only see a quote button if I highlight text; and if I click on that, I then go straight to reply box without involving the reply button.
Step two is to click the “speech balloon” icon which is the leftmost icon on the edit input controls; the one just to the left of the big B for bold. That copies all the text of the existing post into your post. Then write your content and save it.
That’s the big idea for quoting an entire post. The other method of [select some text then click the pop-up "Quote button] is intended for quoting just snips out of 1 or more posts.
Aha! Now I see what you mean. I thought you were talking about the quote bubble you get when you highlight it.
I’ve figured out some of those icons, but not all of them. Now I’ve got one more (yes, I know that hovering gives you some info, but because I could also quote effectively the whole post in one step instead of two by highlighting I hadn’t seen the point of that one.)
Your post is the first time I’ve ever seen “UFN”. And I worked in federal bureaucracy for over a decade. My first thought is that “UFN” might be fairly military-specific, with some limited spread into the pockets of the civilian world.
that’s what has already occurred. The federal level coordinated resources using the war powers act and the state distributed them and enforced regional/local restrictions. On the Federal side there were medical ships and rapid response field hospitals. Ventilators were massed produced and operation Warp Speed will produce vaccines in record time. Guidelines for states were established so the response could be tailored locally.
As deaths went down restrictions were lifted in a coordinated manner. Unfortunately it hit the largest and heavily traveled city of NY first and we can’t undo the stupid that followed.
You fail to have noticed a key word in my statement: better.
I am aware of all the things you listed, but I maintain that the responses should have been faster, stronger, more organized, and states and localities should have actually followed the guidelines for reopening, not rushed open as fat as possible.
The main guideline they skipped was the 14 day period between each step and meeting thresholds for falling case counts.
As for the federal government coordinating resources, there were some successful efforts, but there were notable failures. 1) The whole creation of a new test debacle. 2) Initially telling states the federal stockpile was for federal use and they couldn’t have any. 3) Not coordinating the acquisition of PPE and ventilators, making states compete for them on the open market, driving up expenses. 4) Then confiscating the supplies that the states had arranged to get on their own. 5) Delaying the use of the War Powers Act, then using it minimally. 6) The President himself and the Vice President running the task force undercutting the legitimacy by refusing to wear masks and deriding those who do. 7) The President undermining his followers’ trust in our lead infectious disease expert.
At the state and local level, there were fights over who had authority to make restrictions. For instance, Texas had urban counties wanting strict lock downs and strong enforcement because they had spiking numbers, but our lovely governor overruled them and undercut their ability to enforce violations. Going so far as to support the lady who was arrested and jailed for contempt of court because she opened her hair salon in violation of state orders and then didn’t comply with the judge’s orders.
So no, I do not think “that’s what has already occurred”.
