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National debt is 25% less than you cite, ‘only’ around $9.5 Trillion.
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The economics of the healthcare system has big issues, including access for many, but the level of care for those with money is very good.
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Oil and other energy sources are not in short supply. Some sources are getting more expensive, particularly considering the decline in the value of the dollar, but we aren’t running out of energy sources by any stretch of the imagination.
Hm. As far as I know, two court appointed physicians refused to administer a lethal injection to Michael Morales, and it was suspended indefinitely. But that doesn’t detract from the fact that California voters decided by a very wide margin (2-1) to re-institute the death penalty.
ETA: that link is PDF, sorry.
There’s a case challenging the constitutionality of lethal injection in the Supreme Court, Baze v Rees. No executions have occurred since the court agreed to hear the case, and it’s likely none will occur until the court rules.
sigh…
Continue, not re-institute. Obviously, I need to stop working while posting. Or the other way around.
Okay, let’s find some common ground. Which conservative principles are you willing to sacrifice to achieve common ground? Or is “common ground” a code word for, “everyone should agree with me?”
It is not about the viewpoint of either side of the issue as in 1 above which number 2 is the solution and would be highly welcomed.
My anger is over those people who think they know what I should want or what is best for me having never walked a mile in my moccasins and want to force their opinions on me. In other words I am sick and tired of city issues and liberal minutia being raised to the national level for solution and forced down my throat.
This is the pit so I will give to yous guys both barrels when it comes to damaging to the country.
If a small community
1.wants to have a prayer before city council member meetings
2. or wants to have the 10 commandments displayed
3.and as long that does no egregious harm to anyone
4.and is found to be good team building by an overwhelming number of the members of that community
5.then it is within the purvue of that local community to conduct their local affairs as they see fit
6.And, they don’t need nor welcome some national organization splitting fucking hairs telling them how they should live.
By the way I am not a bible thumper, nor do I attend church, nor do I pray. But I do live in a community where a lot of people do and those people provide service to me, keeping me and my family, in fresh water, clean streets, safe neighborhoods, and good schools and if they get strength to provide those service with a little help from a higher authority more power to them And I thank them for helping my little part of the country be a better place to live.
So, when the going gets tough, the tough get going?
Times are hard for many people, not so much for others, and everywhere in between.
As **Sam Stone ** said, every generation has it’s challenges.
Heck, I remember my Mom telling me about the “duck and cover” drills she used to do in the 1950’s while a schoolgirl in the event of a nuclear attack, like cowering under your desk was going to accomplish much.
The most concerning things for me right now are the mounting debt and how it will affect the economy in the future, our propensity for invloving ourselves in ideological wars that have unclear outcomes, the fall of the dollar, China holding so much of our debt, pollution, global warming and partisan politics.
Oh, and getting my kids to fall asleep at bedtime. That’s a biggie in my castle.
Ah. It all becomes clear now. You may want to have a mod fix that for you so that we can all be less restrained in our responses. In the mean time, would you care to address Miller’s post?
Thanks for the link!
It seems that the poll shows that the folks polled supported the death penalty the most in the 80’s, and the least in the 50’s. So the pendulum swung from the left to the right, and is now moving back left again.
Very cyclic seeming.
Thanks for the update!
Do you not see the contradiction in these two statements? While the majority of people in your small community may enjoy the prayer and the religious monuments on public grounds, there may be a minority who feels that the majority is trying to force their opinions on them. In order to find common ground, wouldn’t it be better if public arenas avoided the whole issue of religion altogether? It seems like doing so would make it easier for people to find common ground.
If every single person in the community is in agreement that that’s the way things should be, the national organization won’t have a leg to stand on because they don’t have legal standing to come in and make a constituional challenge where they don’t live or operate. It’s only when an individual or group in the minority objects within that community that such a challenge can arise.
Where is your stance on the separation of church and state?
the state and church are seperated, in that the state did not mandate that I have to believe any of the mumbo jumbo. The prayer relieved stress and the 10 commandments offered a message to would be perpetrators “You shalt not steal”. their ain’t nothing egregious in either of those and hell a little quiet time and a public admonition of what are wrong deeds relieves my stress.
Of course I take special interest in that commandment as it forms the basis of a perfectly functioning capitalistic society.
The national organization did so in San Diago
see Mount Soledad Cross - Wikipedia
the entry on aug 21 ,2006
No they should not make a challenge. Again that is left up to the members of the community to figure out and legal counsel to hire by the plaintiff.
The whole point of this thread is where do we compromise. We compromise by not sicking the national attack dogs on what is a local matter that is not egregious in anyway. This is Especially true in the case of prayer when our own US congress has paid a Chaplin using taxpayer money to open each session with a prayer since 1789.
The possibility that an overtly Christian court would be biased against me because I don’t participate in Christian religious practices significantly increases my stress.
In other words, we “compromise” by doing exactly what you want us to do.
The operative word is feel.
Hell, I get bad feelings from a lot of people, especially some of those invoking their rights to free speech. The separation clause should be invoked if an elected official stands up and calls me a sinner. If that happened I would be him like stink on shit.
No more strees than overtly liberal or conservative court stresses us now.
You have already compromised by not going after the US congress. And until such times as you do go after the US Congress for their infraction of the separation clause and win The small community, and how it lives out its days, is none of your concern unless you live there then take it up with the locals and your psychiatrist.
It’s not the government’s business to endorse any particular church. Is it alright if they switch prayers every session between Zororastrian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, Christian and Scientologist? And to make the atheists happy have a disclaimer about how none of this religious garbage is true anyway.
How about instead of posting the commandment against stealing you post the town’s ordinance forbidding it. God won’t stop you from boosting a T.V., but a redneck sheriff *will *break your head with his baton.
You sir apparently miss the point of America.
Out of curiosity:
(1) How large does a community need to be, in your view, for the 1st Ammendment to apply?
(2) Are there any other portions of the Constitution that you feel a small community should be free to ignore?
This thread is in Great Debates, not the Pit. (You should’ve turned left at Albuquerque.) Let us know if you’d like it moved.