Jarbabyj, I’d suggest stopping. You seem pretty worked up and you’ve already lashed out at two people who are trying to help you.
You misquoted two posters. You can’t go back and change it but you can just bow out now before things get worse.
I normally don’t butt into threads with advice on whether or not to post, but this one seems like it’s just headed in a bad direction for you.
So back out, let duffer win, and have no one understand what my point was.
Sounds good.
I understand what your point is, and my guess is that most people who’ve read this thread do as well. But this thread isn’t about your point anymore. You’re now going round and round about misquotes. And you don’t seem like you want to let go.
I’m not here to get into a debate about whether you should keep posting to this thread or not. I was honestly trying to help by giving an outside perspective. I’ll just leave by asking you if your participation in this thread is making your day/life better or worse. Are you happier because of this Pit thread or are the emotions leaking out into your real life? If it’s the latter I’d suggest stopping. If it’s the former, I apologize for my presumption.
Same thing I’d do if it wasn’t loaded. I’d make damn sure he saw it, make the click-sound of it being cocked so he would think there’s a little lead piece with his name on it. All the time I’d be making as much noise as I could calling for help and trying to get someone to phone the cops. (I’d probably be too pissed to use my cell. These fucks piss me off as stated before. Maybe throw the phone to some bystander to call for help)
While she’s in the hammerlock, I may even scream at the fuck like a raving lunatic and try to make him think I don’t give a shit about human life and would be willing to take them both out just to drink thier blood. Given this option, there’s a good chance the scumfuck will give up the rape and run just to stay alive to rape again. (An awesome alternative to killing the shitheel) And if he decides to take her anyway, he’s so far gone mentally that the woman has little chance to survive the attack.
If he has a weapon also? She’s screwed no matter what anyone wants to do.
You seem so concerned about the safety of a rapist, please ID yourself if you ever need help in the future.
(And I feel bad about retracting my offer to ever help you in the previous post. Consider the retraction retracted. But it will involve one of my guns)
No, don’t back out, just get the quotes right. And avoid attacking me if you’re going to get the quotes wrong. (wherever they come from, please continue to attribute them to me)
For what it’s worth, jarbabyj, I agree with Zoff. There really isn’t anything to be won here. It’s really just a matter of who gets in the last word. We all know what you mean to say, and you know what we mean to say. Just let it go and let duffer have the last word. I don’t think anyone reading this thread subsequently will feel he has defeated you. They will just see your point and his and that will be the end of it.
Remember the other day when we were going at it in the other thread and someone came on and said he usually had the most regard for the one who walked away? You walked away and I didn’t. Guess who felt belittled by that? That’s right, moi! Here’s your chance to walk away and be thought highly of yet again.
Zoff, you’re right, this is making my day a LOT worse. I would have let it go if Duffer hadn’t accused me of not taking rape seriously, which does tend to make me batshit crazy, as I feel I take rape a lot more seriously than most. He also accused me of not thinking a Hammerlock was a big deal, which I never said, but I see that it’s ok for him to say those things about me.
What fucks? Phones? Rapists? I’m confused.
ON the secondary location, we agree. He must not be allowed to leave the area. However, I disagree with your assumption that he will automatically rape again. There are plenty of rapists who are not recidivists.
I’m concerned about the safety of EVERYONE, which is why I said about sixty times that murder MAY be a LAST resort. it should not be the first. I see from your description that it would NOT be your first resort, and I"m confident that a group of 15-20 year olds screaming and chasing him would have been enough to get him to let go.
Well thanks for that, I guess. My fear of guns is not lessened by this offer, but I appreciate it.
I think that kind of says it all JarbabyJ. It appears as if you’re focusing entirely on “winning” and thus are unable to really read and absorb what others are saying.
Your obsession with winning is causing you to appear to outsiders as being overly emotional, illogical, dishonest and like Zoff said, lash out at those trying to help you. Your references as to the state of dufer’s penis are totally uncalled for and really childish.
I’ve been following this thread from the beginning and have watched your posts become more illogical, dishonest and nasty as the thread has progressed. I’d also ask you, like Zoff, to take a step back and think about how you’re coming off in this thread. To be totally honest, the only poster looking bad here is you, no matter how much you try to villify others.
One other thing: you’ve kind of been reminding me of Techchick before her meltdown, lately. I’m not trying to attack you, just give you something to think about. You may want to step away from the keyboard for a little while.
I don’t think it’s OK, but I’m not posting about inaccuracies in this thread. People can read it and come to their own conclusions. I posted because I thought you were heading in a bad direction. I was concerned about you, not your debate positions.
Take care.
It’s like shouting at a brick wall. I guess I will back out and say “i’ve lost” I hope everyone’s thrilled. No one has understood my position from the minute I posted the OP.
I know you dislike me to start with lezlers, so it’s no suprise you think I"m over emotional…but I assure you, I"m no where near a meltdown.
How about this: I don’t dislike you, you know I don’t dislike you, and you haven’t convinced me of a thing. My attitude about this issue is the same as it was before: Given the chance, I’d shoot the fucker with no regrets and no concerns about “rehabilitation”. Sorry. Also, there does seem to be a touch of the frantic in your latest posts. Sometimes it is best just to make your point firmly and walk away-for example you’re not going to change my mind and I seriously doubt that I’ll change yours-but I do respect your position and your right to hold it.
Jar, I don’t think anyone has lost or won, I think you guys have had differing points of view complicated by some misunderstanding. I won’t think any less of anyone for putting an end to the bickering.
This isn’t a contest. Allow me to lay down my arms? I kind of went for some cheap hits without realizing you may have been too emotionally involved in this subject for debate. I had my first post and then had to defend it. I can be a bit of a prick when I have to defend myself.
There are times when, IRL, people think they know how far they can go, without ever knowing how torqued I’m getting. It’s not their fault, they just don’t know how close they’re getting the breaking point. I suspect I’ve gotten there with you. And it was never my intention to do so. I wanted to debate, not cause harm.
I won’t retract anything I’ve said in these hypothetical cases, but I will offer an apology for trying to nail you if you took it as a personal insult. (This is like chewing tinfoil!)
Hopefully you’ll come back and let me know it wasn’t too damaging. I won’t keep it up (unless you want to 
) but if nothing else, it’ll make me feel a little better.
(check for 2 pits soon to see how shitty my life is going)
thanks duffer. I appreciate it. I won’t change my mind on anything, of course, and yes, I’m VERY emotionally involved in this issue for about six hundred reasons. It’s best for people smarter than I to argue the issue anyway, I’m just a theatre major.
Please don’t offer up any hanging curveballs. I just may have to swing.
Oh listen, I know I’m not smart. That’s why, for the most part, I stay away from great debates. I know what I believe and feel about things, but not how to voice them.
And it comes full circle. That’s pretty much why I come across to most as a bad guy. See how quickly we settled that? Take care.
JBJ, kudos to you for stopping this painful argument that neither was going to win (and nobody is more right). Situations are different. Many people are as rabidly anti-anti-gun as anti-gunners are, well, anti-gun. That being said, I think the misunderstanding was the implication that we shoot first and ask questions later. I hope we have come to the conclusion that that is not the case. And I do agree with you that many rapists are not recidivist, however, someone abducting somebody in broad daylight in full view of witnesses likely has done this a time or two. Many rapes aren’t violent either, this one was. Would the world be better off without monsters, yes. Was this guy a monster, probably. Was the guy you mentioned, hopefully not, and I am glad he has made a decent life for himself (blast, a conservative saying criminals can be rehabilitated). Emotionally charged issues have a tendency for people to do that, emote, instead of thinking things through clearly. ON BOTH SIDES. Cheers.
jarbabyj, may I point out that there’s a difference between being intelligent and being articulate.
Not to date myself, but would you consider Frank Sinatra to have been an intelligent man? This was a guy who completely rewrote the book on how to present a song. He was a movie star, a producer, a business man, and of course, a studio recording artist. He was highly respected by people in the field of music and was even applauded by his studio musicians after finishing a particular recording session for his album, Trilogy.
And I once saw him referred to in print as an intelligent man but not a very articulate one.
Perhaps this is the true nature of the problems you perceive in expressing yourself, not a lack of intelligence. Your webpage and even your retorts to me belie that. (And believe it or not, you actually had me chuckling the other day with your “lil gunglinga” crack.)
And I’ve noticed too that your ability to express yourself seems to decline with the degree of passion you hold toward the subject at hand.
Maybe a concentrated effort to become more articulate, especially when discussing things you’re passionate about, is all you need to improve in order to overcome your feelings that you can’t make or argue a point.
But you are smart. Evidence of that is all over the place.
Cheers. 
I think you’re confusing two issues. One is punishment for a crime. The other is preventing a crime from occuring.
If you shoot someone who is attempting to rape or kill a loved one, you are not giving them “capital punishment”, you are applying deadly force to prevent a crime from occuring.
The difference is in the capital punishment case, the crime has already occured. In the deadly force case you are preventing it from occuring.
Do you mean to say you are against using deadly force to prevent a loved one from being killed? So you’d rather have your loved one killed than the person who would be doing the killing of said loved one, because you’re against “capital punishment”? That strikes me as odd.