First time I see someone claiming that 1866 event took place before the ones you are to point at. (the Treaty of 1866 was signed in Ft. Smith, Arkansas required that The Choctaws release their Africans from bondage.)
You were provided many cites earlier that several news articles stated or implied, misleading people, that June 19, 1865 was the end of slavery in the United States. Do you deny that those articles mislead people?
Strawman.
Also anyone asking for December is not being realistic. As explained. Too crowded with very major Holidays already. Thanksgivings, Christmas & New Years Eve would overwhelm a December Holiday as mentioned above.
There are no such cites in this thread. But if you believe there are, perhaps you’d kindly do the work of quoting them yourself so that we both know we’re talking about the same thing?
I suspect you’re not quoting these cites because you know they don’t state what you wish they did.
Fuck me. I stated above about nitpickery of dates. This holiday is a direct claim that slavery ended on June 19, 1865 which is demonstrably false. False. It is not a debate about whether this document or that was filed with the clerk before a certain time. Slaves were still enslaved in the President’s home state after June 19, 1865. So what are we celebrating?
You deny that many people believe that slavery ended on June 19, 1865 because of this holiday?
Do you enjoy mentioning the President’s home state? Seems like a complete side issue and devalues your arguments.
I mentioned it twice and I think it very relevant that he signed a law that diminishes his home state’s relevance to slavery as it didn’t end until December 18, 1865. You want to party on June 19? Go for it…
That’s totally incorrect. The process of ending slavery started long before the Emancipation Proclamation. You’ve re-written history and erased all the people that struggled long before Emancipation Proclamation. Shame on you.
There is, however, a date legal slavery ended in America.
I haven’t seen any evidence that there’s any concerning amount of confusion on this. You can’t seem to come up with any, so I have to assume it isn’t true.
And yet… many people falsely believe the Declaration of Independence was signed on July 4th, 1776. Is this a problem? Many people think George Washington was born on the third Monday in February. Many people falsely believe Jesus was born on December 25th, 1. What calamity has come from it?
So yes, I doubt there’s any significant confusion on the matter, and if there is, I suggest it’s entirely unimportant.
Then we are at loggerheads. He cited it. People believe it.
Shame on your dumb, insincere outflanking tactic. If anything it further demonstrates my point that this was a prolonged, diffuse process, therefore any date is as good as any other.
Modnote: One more time, Attack the post and not the poster.
This is attacking the poster.
To all, attack the post and not the poster. Some posts are blurring the lines for sure.
I’m universally opposed to nitpicking the date of holidays.
However if we apply the logic that we must be accurate with holidays that commemorate historical events we shouldn’t be celebrating july 4 or july 2 because they occurred years before we actually gained our independence.
It’s been done. You’re just refusing to admit it’s been done.
I’ve responded to UltraVires and HughGoply by saying that we base on holidays on traditions not historical facts. So June 19 is a perfectly valid day to celebrate the end of slavery.
But the people who are trying to take the tradition and turn it into a historical fact are more wrong. Saying that June 19 marks the end of slavery in the United States is teaching people something which is not true. June 19 marks the end of slavery in Texas. December 18 marks the end of slavery in the United States. Arguments that the words “marks the end of” is different than “occurred on” in the minds of people who hear it are nonsense.
Of course it is. So is January 1 or July 4 or February 29. My issue, my ONLY issue with this date is that it suggests and news articles tell people that this date was the end of slavery in the United States, when it demonstrably was not the end of slavery in the United States.
OK, so some writers are bad or lazy. This I agree with. It is far worse with Science Articles in newspapers.
What popular magazines tell us is not as important as the official reason, the articles dealing with the actual new holiday point that the date is to “commemorate” the event. Indeed, not the same as declaring Juneteenth as the actual day of the end of slavery.