America through Asian eyes

The link below cuts through all of the arguing regarding cuts in spending and taxes. While it doesn’t give the detailed answers, I think that the author is spot on in his analysis of how America is seen from outside.

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2010/11/22/seeing-the-u-s-through-asias-eyes/

But we will probably continue to spend our time arguing about teaching evolution, abortion, the right to bear arms and so forth without actually addressing the problem of a failing economy…

So the question for debate is “Is the article correct in the sense of Asian observations of America being in fast decline, which will lead to our becoming a failed economic entity”?

I’d imagine it would be all narrow and slanty…

OK I know that’s crass but the set-up was just too perfect!

Well, some of the themes have come up before - it’s not unknown for Asian countries to regard outsiders as a “catagion” - that’s why at one point Japan kicked out everyone non-Japanese. And it’s easy to point at someone else having a problem or three and yell “LOSERS!”

Remember when Japan was going to take over the world, back in the 1980’s? They were going to buy up the US and everyone would work for a Japanese multinational? Didn’t happen.

Now the Chinese are charging ahead (good for them…as long as it lasts). I rather doubt we’ll all wind up working for a Chinese multinational in 10-20 years.

That said - YES, Americans are acting like selfish, spoiled children. I know makes people pee their pants, but YES, we need to raise some taxes. We also need to repair our social safety nets, fix a bunch of infrastructure, and a whole lot of stuff needs to happen to get our stuff straightened out. I don’t think we’re in “tailspin” mode - but I don’t think some people would like us to be in one.

I imagine their view of America is epic and thick.

Ah, yes, if only we had a calm politics of S. Korea, where sessions of parliment regularly breakout into fist fights and brawls where MPs try to bludgeon each other into missing votes.

Yes, if only our lawmakers were like their calm, adult, asian couter-parts

Or inscrutable.

In my experience, China is a mirror in which people see what they want to see. If you want to see a sinister oppressive juggernaut, you’ll see it. If you want to see a booming cosmopolitan vision-of-the-future, you’ll see it. If you want to see the Brand New Threat to the US, you’ll see it. The mystique and menace of the Orient has been a sure hit since Marco Polo. Everyone who is not busy writing their version of China is eager to consume media that confirm their own visions of China.

For it’s part, China is very good at meeting people’s expectations. The “Democracy is too fussy and messy- what we need is a strong government” obviously suits the government’s purposes, and “China is the development superstar” fits their desire to gain inroads in South East Asia and Africa. These ideas may come out of spontaneous observances, but they are also, at this point, carefully constructed spins.

Look at this author. She seems to be basing this on a visit to a few Asian capitals. That is, of course, like a Chinese guy visiting DC and figuring he’s ready to start making vast generalizations. Many people writing books about China are basing it on a few weeks spent in Shanghai. And China is, in many ways, infinitely more diverse and fractured than the US is.

The standard journalist tour of China is going to be based in the big East Coast cities, which basically operate on a different economic and political system than the rural majority of the country. The writers, perhaps still hearing echos of “there are starving children in China” from their childhood, are surprised to see modern cities where you can get gourmet pizza and dance all night in exclusive clubs (which they are delighted to be ushered to the front of the line for.) Their hosts will set up a dizzying schedule of banquets, visits to stylish company boardrooms, and charming cultural events. Huge piles of food are stuffed into them at every moment. Even impoverished rural schools receive grants from the government to make sure their foreign teachers are well entertained (the enterprising schools, of course, usually pocket it.) Men will be invited to share dirt-cheap beers late in to the night and to sample the local ladies, who often surprising educated and cosmopolitan for the kind of girl who will chat up a ruddy-faced rando at a bar. Female journalists will usually have to content themselves with the inevitable “new best friend” who wants to go shopping and gossip with them. At this point, the journalists are thinking “Wow, this place is pretty darn great. It must be a good place!”

Perhaps they will do a visit to one of China’s myriad “ancient towns” which are fixed up Disneyland style or even a trip to one of their hosts’s or new girlfriend’s ancestral villages, where they can get a glimpse of the poverty but be heartened by people’s generosity. Of course when they return to Shanghai’s neon embrace, they can assure themselves that they now understand the poverty that China is surely quickly eliminating. Sure, there are some poor villages, but look at Shanghai! Maglev trains! Surely this is what the real China is!

These events are surprisingly scripted. I lived two years and was surprised to learn now and what I thought was a spontaneous day trip with a good friend actually went through mysterious levels of approval before I was ever invited. Of course it’s not like the old days and traveller’s have plenty of opportunities to wander free. But sometimes there is more going on than a lazy journalist, fattened up on banquets and sedated with beer and women, is going to see.

Anyway, my point is the basically everything you read about China is wrong, especially if it’s in a new article with a sensationalist headline. Very few people writing about China have any idea what they are talking about.

This should be a sticky.

What if I want to see a beautiful naked lady?

I stopped reading at “Of course, China is not without its issues . . . .” :rolleyes:

This is just a pitch for the Bowles-Simpson plan. There are plenty of other plans out there to balance the budget and various people obviously have different preferences. I don’t see how our failing to adopt the author’s preferred plan puts America into a tailspin.

Because if we don’t, “Asians” will make be skeptical of us. Not really clear if all four billion of them, or just a large majority.

But yea, the article doesn’t really have anything to do with Asia. Its just a meaningless hook for the author to put in a plug for the Bowles-Simpson plan without having to actually write about the content of the plan.

(also, aside from being pointless and stupid, I think the articles factually wrong as well. S. Korea has run small deficits in its budget last year. Granted their in better shape then a lot of countries, but a small deficit is different then the “surplus rich” claim in the article).

I was just kinda skimming through what I thought was the rhetoric filled, factless, intro to get to the meat of the article. Then I hit the end and thought what was a semi-bad intro to an article actually was the entire article. Whoops. even sven’s analysis was a lot more intelligent than the articles, and his was just a random post on a forum.

Hers.

correction noted. My apologies.