This has to be the worst hijack ever.
Why does discussing patriotism always make me horny?
You fucking BM eating retard.
Ah, as witty as ever Clint.
Out of interest, can anyone tell me what BM is? Or indeed what the cerebrally challenged wank is talking about?
Could it be, bowel movement…
So, what is it like being this stupid? Is it like being a bug has partisan hardwiring? Or did you get the secret list of communists that the rest of the world is not privileged to have seen?
Alright, fair is fair. No matter what the motivation was, it is undoubtedly true that both the Afghani and Iraqi people enjoy, or are going to enjoy, more freedom and liberties after the US military actions that took place in their respective countries. Let’s just take that as a given fact, and let’s not discuss the underlying motivations in this thread.
Why then does it seem that there is only a fixed amount of freedom to go 'round? Because while US troops were busy distributing liberty and peace in Afghanistan and Iraq, your very own government, Brutus, was passing all sorts of bills that were curtailing American liberties. Apparently, you have to re-slice the pie of freedom to distribute it equally along all citizens of the world. I for one think Brutus is a bigger man than I, for accepting this apparent ass raping for what it truly is: redistribution of freedom towards those who need it most. Why, if I didn’t know Brutus any better, I’d call it downright socialist.
[sub]A subtitled version of this post is available for the sarcasm-impaired.[/sub]
That you feel this way is un-American.
I’m glad to hear your problem’s been diagnosed. Do the doctors expect to have a cure soon?
Perhaps it may appear that way from afar. However, the infringements in civil liberties here in America are trivial compared to the civil liberties gains in Afghanistan and in Iraq.
Any infringement of American civil liberty is, by default, not trivial.
No, blanx, you don’t get it. Forfaiting the right to a fair trial and representation because the Government has decided to do away with such annoyances “because there’s a war going on, and while we’re at it, we want to make it permantent, too, but don’t you sweat it, here’s some cool footage of a pack of Bradley tanks engaging a bunch of sand dunes!” is completely trivial. It in no way measures up against the injustices inflicted upon the poor Iraqis by the evil, evil Saddam.
[sub]Previously known as Saddam-our-jolly-good-buddy-whose-minor-infractions-we’ll-pretend-not-to-see, of course.[/sub]
To me it appears that way from up close, too. Though I will admit that being imprisoned is rather more appealing than being extrajudicially executed, I’m sure the thousand or so people who were arrested and held, often without charges being filed against them or being allowed to examine the evidence against them (if any existed), for varying durations, in the wake of 9/11 would take issue with your analysis.
Having a few criminals or enemy agents not get quick trials is trivial compared to routinely torturing, maiming and murdering thousands of men, women and children, year after year. You’re not seriously equating the two, are you?
I think that the point here is that it is just higher on the same slippery slope. Of course you would realize that if you weren’t such a partisan, conservative apologist fucknugget of a freak.
Look, it is very simple. Either we are the good guys, or the bad guys. At this point, we are not behaving like the good guys.
I’m not equating the two. I’m saying that the “We went to war to save the poor Iraqis, and give them the freedom they deserve” argument (which was at best a convenient byproduct of “Operation Iraqi Freedom” anyway) kinda loses a bit of validity when you’re curtailing the liberties of your own citizens at the same time.
Surely, I’m not the only one to notice that irony?
Or those great people who give their side of a discussion on a topic but their only response to any part of our society that could use a little work is, “Don’t like it? Go to Iraq.”
It makes what could be a conversation that I could get some interesting information out of into… well… talking to a wall.
Isn’t our nation about change? Isn’t that how our nation has survived? If something isn’t right the voters let it be known.
I thought that the “Don’t like it? Get out!” policies was what we were fighting against in Iraq.