Americans are ignorant?

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First off, my bad; you mentioned Canadians in the post and I jumped the gun. However what my point was is those kind of comments are the exact ones that I want to explore. Dropping more of them doesn’t further the argument, I don’t think.

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True, there has been tons of anecdotal evidence given on this thread, but I am also looking for other opinons on the matter. But the difference with yours (I thought) was that there had already been links to tests that showed a rough equivilency between Americans knowledge of Canada and vice-versa. Seeing something that contadicted previously given stats made me raise an eyebrow and hence ask for a cite. Furthermore I confused your post with Meyer’s post on the first page of the thread. So I’ve fucked up twice.
[sub]bad asylum, bad![/sub]

However that’s the sort of thing that I’m looking for; either more coherent arguments for or against Americans’ ignorance, or some type of stats that can be used to further the debate. Sorry for getting on you.

Well that’s one of the counter-arguments. Alot of the same countries do the exact same thing.

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While there are some Americans who do carry that opinion, there are many more who do not. Look at the current debate in the media to extend our school year to twelve months. That’s in response to looking at countries that score higher than the U.S. scholasticly and seeing what they do differently (Japan).

First off, I have to say that I am sorry I started this we-know-more-about-your-small-cities-than-you-know-about-ours thing. What I was actually getting at, which I realize was kind of confusing in my first post, is that even in other parts of Canada people don’t know about the prairies. The point is that a lot of people just decide that where they are is the center of the universe and knowledge about other places is completely unnecessary.

So, it doesn’t really bother me when people ask whether it is -40C year round, or whether we have electricity, but it bothers me when people say things like “Saskatchewan? Why would anyone ever live there?”. I have heard this from Canadians, Americans, and Europeans.

I think that Americans just tend to have this arrogant attitude that they are the best country in the world. I know they have a high population, and economy, but there are reasonds that many of us choose to live elsewhere, and thats okay. Its okay to love the USA as your homeland, but allow us to love Canada as ours, and maybe learn something aobut us as neighbours.

Thats what I was trying to say in my first post, and upon rereading it I realize that I obscured that with the 7 questions about Canada bit. Sorry.

The foreigners I have met (almost everyone) have this view that people in US are ignorant than in other countries. There must be some truth in it to generate such a widespread feeling.It seems a couple of Americans asked one of my Indian(the Asian country :)) friends whether Indonesia is a different country or the same as India. Whatever you say,this is a little too much. :slight_smile:
Actually, US is the target for such complaints mainly because it is a country of inhabitants from all over the world and one place in the world where you can find people from all continents relatively easily.And may be one reason why Americans are expected to be more knowledgeable regarding other countries.
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There is only one National newspaper in the US(USA Today: and it is rated well below other newspapers in a recent research i came to know in my university ).thats quite surprising, no? does that mean that Americans are more localized in reading news even within the country.?

Uh, no. This is argumentatum majorum, a well known logical fallacy.

No, it means that certain prominent “local” newspapers are broadly read throughout the country. E.g. the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal (which is really a “national” despite its name), and the Christian Science Monitor (also a “national”). USA Today (also known as McPaper) is garbage fit only to line birdcages (it’s not suitable for wrapping fish because of the colored inks, which are toxic.)

I’m sorry I only have anecdotal evidence to add, but this is a subject in which I’ve been interested for several years. When I moved to France from Pakistan, I was asked the following questions:

  • Is it hard being a woman there?
  • What is life like under martial law?
  • What do you think about Benazir Bhutto?

When I moved to America, I got the following:

  • Do you have electricity there?
  • Do you have television there?
  • Do you know what Coke is?
  • How come you speak English?
  • I have a friend from Pakistan, his name is X, do you know him?
  • I know Pakistan is a pretty big city, but what country is it in again? (This from a Yale graduate.)

I’ve found that Americans, on average, seem to be less-informed about the world in general than people in other countries. I don’t know why this is, although I have noticed that the media in America seems to focus less on the outside world than it does in other countries. (I suppose this could be because America is so much larger and there is so much more going on in America, as some of you have pointed out.)

However, I don’t think that Americans are arrogant. Every American who asked me one of the “ignorant” questions I listed above was extremely eager to learn about other parts of the world. Of course there are Americans who go about saying that America is the greatest country on earth, but in my experience almost everyone thinks that whichever country they happen to have been born in is the greatest country on earth. (In fact, the only people I have ever met who don’t think that are Americans.) The only reason patriotism looks bad in an American and not in a Frenchman is the fear that America truly is the greatest country on earth, that American culture is spreading at an alarming rate, that even people in Muslim fundamentalist countries want to watch American movies and eat American fast food.

Americans are also criticised for their lack of international travel, even though many of them have visited areas within America which are much more varied and diverse than the average European will see in a trip around Europe. A European could see London, Paris, Amsterdam and Brussels all in one weekend. An American has to get across the Atlantic Ocean first.

The argument that “non-Americans know so much about America, but Americans know so little about them” is obviously flawed, as has been pointed out here. But it, too, works to strengthen the idea of Americans as ignorant, arrogant people.

In my opinion the “ignorant American” stereotype has some validity, but is exaggerated due to the biased perception of America in the eyes of the rest of the world.

meyer:

Speaking as a native of the Southern US, married to someone from Saskatchewan, who has spent time in Sask. visiting the inlaws and talking to people, it seems a lot of people there have the same perception you do: That the rest of the world neither knows nor cares about your province. While I’m not knowledgable enough to say that attitude isn’t at least partially justified, and I can sympathize, living in a state that has a relatively small population, it’s not as bad as you (and the rest of the province) seems to think. I’d say most Americans have heard of Saskatchewan, (even if they can’t spell it :D)have a general idea of where it is located, and have probably heard the names Saskatoon, Regina, and maybe Moosejaw. Speaking for myself, I know I had. Before my first visit up there, I expected that things wouldn’t be too different from “here”, except that it would be a little colder. And I was right. Well, other than that putting gravy on the french fries thing. That’s a little weird :smiley:

Aside: Did they know she was from England, or did they merely ask because she had an accent? The reason I ask is, think about how Europeans are portrayed in American cinema: they usually have a generic British-ey kinda accent. So its possible that people just came to the assumption that she was “European”, and not specifically English.

On the other hand, maybe they were just being dumb.