It is important to call out that a large portion of the lobbying and media quotes around this issue have been pushed for and provided by known white supremacists and eugenicists.
John Tanton is the equivalent of the Koch brothers in this area.
While their beliefs may not be held by a lot of Americans that share their islomphobic views they are fanning the flames and promoting the message with great effect.
If you look at his organizations core tenants you will see a striking similarity to statements from xenophobic political figures like Trump
From the Federation for American Immigration Reform
(No link to avoid helping their SEO rank)
I have seen no arguments in this thread from those advocating these xenophobic type polices that does not play this known racist organizations goals and most arguments seem to be parroting their brand prepackaged fear.
I am not calling anyone on here a racist but I do wonder if people understand the source of the propaganda that they have been feed.
Also note that he has been a leader in the Sierra Club and other groups which are not conservative.
What issue?** Fear of being blown up or shot down for a crazy religious/political reason? **
Worries over terrorism are reasonable, even if perhaps blown out of proportion.
I dunno why you think you have to embark on a Argumentum ad hominem for something that is not the main issue, and versus someone who has not even been quoted.
Quote:
We were focused on the question of how many times Aurora-like events had actually happened. We honed our criteria accordingly:
The attack must have occurred essentially in a single incident, in a public place;
We excluded crimes of armed robbery, gang violence, or domestic violence in a home, focusing on cases in which the motive appeared to be indiscriminate mass murder;
The killer, in accordance with the FBI criterion, had to have taken the lives of at least four people.*
Ah, so then xenophobia can still be fed due to non-islamic terrorists being worse at their jobs?
IMHO this is just a way to stack the numbers in a way that ignores the motivations behind terrorism which is to cause terror for political reasons. As an example the fact that Larry McQuilliams was a bad shot doesn’t change that fact.
Does the Phineas Priesthood movement need to organize for Trump to call for action against them?
They are not reasonable when they result in policy that greatly outweighs their risk. Especially when those “Worries over terrorism” are used to justify racist polices that result in great suffering. It is not an ad hominem attack, it is the crux of the issue.
Are your “Worries over terrorism” as great with your flag flying Christian neighbor? Or are they reserved for people who are muslim?
Hell most people should be more afraid of their internet connection if they worried about lives as a low cardio fitness is way more likely to kill them.
Then your issue is with those* polices*, not the worries. People are justifiably worried about being killed.
It is 100% an ad hominem attack, since you’re attacking the person behind the idea, not the idea itself. In fact, no one has quoted them anyway, so it’s a Poisoning the Well, too.
Except that criterion is “an FBI crime classification report from 2005 identifies an individual as a mass murderer if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location”
And I thought we were talking about mass shootings, not mass murders?
Are they justified in being worried about their white neighbors, or are you ignoring what the hell xenophobia is, I am attacking their actions too.
xenophobia = bigotry, there is no way to address it without referencing the people whom are xenophobic, which in this case almost purely means islomophobic.
Is xenophobia wrong when it’s a direct result of a group of individuals who repeatedly claim that they and their followers will murder you?
I’ve often wondered how many radical, fanatical, Muslim/ISIS plots were thwarted by LE agencies BEFORE any innocent victims were actually injured, maimed, or murdered? Shouldn’t they receive points for making the effort?
Aren’t the 4 members of the Phineas Priesthood still in prison? Do you think Obama would pardon them if Trump, or Hillary, asked nicely?
Muslims have a HUGE public relations problem. The bloody actions and violent words of ISIS, Al Qaeda, those fun-loving Palestinians, and even the Nazi-Muslim divisions of WWII can have an affect on how people view Muslims today.
You provided a list of how people have responded to the repeated Muslim threats and attacks against the rest of the world. The current threats coming from groups of individual Muslims aren’t targeting anyone specifically. Anyone in the West is a target. Anyone in Europe is a target. Anyone in the U.S.A. is a target. Anyone in Israel is a target. Anyone in the Middle East is a target. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Well the “ISIS, Al Qaeda, those fun-loving Palestinians” and the aryan nations, and almost all other domestic terrorists are almost exclusively Caucasian. Why is there no call to stop all Caucasian immigration or violent attacks against them…oh ya because the bigotry against people who happen to be muslim.
The ONLY reason for this is because they happen to be one revision newer on a common thread of abrahamic religion.
This xenophobia is not rational it is purely based in a bigoted categorization of individuals similar to the hate of other groups which will dilute the white european historical majority in this country.
We do not see the same response to massive terrorist attacks from white christians despite the reality that those plots and attacks are just as common.
Then of course those hudnreds of Nazi chrisitians divisions must effect how people view the christians today… and too those fun loving Christian palestinian terrorists also must effect how we view the Christians. The crime of Groupe identity.
You must never have taken drivers ed, since when I did we watched Signal 30, showing horrible flaming deaths in cars. Which I’d expect are far more frequent than horrible flaming deaths in airplanes.
Not to mention that the guy controlling your airplane is a highly trained veteran with plane maintenance done by other highly trained people, while even if you are a good driver you have to worry about drunk teenagers driving on Kojaks.
So, fearing flying more than driving is irrational.
