Then why’s Olbermann so popular with liberals?
This is utterly false.
No, it’s utterly true.
Hm. Rik says true, Dio says false.
In the meantime, a group of (mostly) Saudis, led by Osama Bin Ladin (a Saudi) and primarily funded by Saudis, hijacked American planes and flew them into the Twin Towers, killing our fellow Americans (albeit New Yorkers. Dub in Pace commercial -- "Get a rope!").
Our response as a nation is as follows: evacuate as many Saudi bigwigs and members of the Bin Ladin family as we can as soon as the "no-fly" period ends, invade a neighboring country that the Saudis are on bad terms with, exempt the Saudis from strictures on human trafficking, remove any references to the Kingdom from the official 9/11 report, and sell them arms.
I can understand why/how Texans would be alright with this course of action, and angry with Moore for snitching it out... but how about patriotic Americans?You’re as deceptive as he is, congratulations.
Here’s a question for you: In the 1880s a group of mercenaries led by AMERICAN William Walker tried to take over Nicaragua. Should Nicaragua have blamed the US government for this and declared war on us? I mean, Walker and many of his followers were from the US. By your “logic,” they should have declared war on us and treated us like we wanted them all dead…
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You’re as deceptive as he is, congratulations.
Setting aside your irrelevant question, I wish you’d show me where I’ve been deceptive. It’s possible I could be mistaken in what I’ve stated – would you care to point out where and how? All I’m getting now is that you don’t like Moore or me.
The question is very relevant, particularly in that you can’t answer it without contradicting yourself.
No. I’ll have to ask you to excuse me if you think that regrettable actions by individual American citizens in the post Civil War era present any sort of precedent for national security now. You’ll just have to pardon my hypocrisy. Nicaragua is no doubt the better for Walker’s execution. Would that we could say similar for Bin Ladin.
Back to the specific claims I’ve made. Did I misstate a pattern of favoritism toward the country most closely associated with support for the 9/11 hijackers? If so, where? And do you think this constructive for our national security? If so, why?
Next time, actually click on the link BEFORE making a fool of yourself. The link is to several OUTSIDE reviews of the movie, including the aforementioned one from Rupert Murdoch’s NY Post. But don’t let pesky facts get in the way of your preconceived notions.
No, I won’t excuse you for refusing to address the question of how the case of the 9-11 hijackers is different than William Walker. Using your logic of corporate responsibility, Nicaragua should have declared war on the US for Walker’s actions. If you deny this, you contradict your simplistic and naive position. Which wouldn’t be a bad thing, really…it wasn’t a very smart position to begin with.
I would never click on any link to that kook website. For one thing, I don’t want to contribute to the lowlife owner. Then I WOULD be a fool.
Nor will I excuse your your (momentary?) stupidity in pretending it relevant. Nice attempt at a clinch though.
Would you care to engage any of the questions you’ve avoided so far, or do you just want to hide?
Jesus Christ. You’re a mid-90s throwback. Strawman arguments are still being used on message boards? People still fall for them?
Well, they should have seen it coming since the exact same thing (takeover of Nicaragua by an American named William Walker) had happened in the 1850s as well. He was backed by Cornelius Vanderbilt among others; they wanted to build a canal across Nicaragua to capitalize first on the California Gold Rush and then to other ships crossing from Atlantic to Pacific.
Walker’s regime was recognized by one country as the legitimate gov’t of Nicaragua, that being the U.S.A., this due largely to pressure on the Pierce Administration by Congressman in the pay of Vanderbilt. The U.S. definitely had some culpability. (They later they rescinded their recognition when Walker fell from grace with Vanderbilt and the Commodore about-face contributed to the rebels seeking to remove him.)
I’ve tried to be fair to the commercial and the trailer and ask myself–if this movie weren’t rooted in politics almost directly opposite my own, would I find it funny? The answer is a definite “no”. It appears to be on a par with the various (X) Movie movies, which I believe Zucker has also had a hand in and for which the trailers always strike me as mind-bogglingly not funny.
It’s probably good that conservatives have something to laugh about these days, though. They’ve got tough times ahead. If a few “Michael Moore hates America, and he’s FAT!!!” jokes give them some comfort on election night, more power to them.
I think it’s possble to skewer liberals and be funny. Parker and Stone can do it. This movie doesn’t. Satire has to be rooted in something truthful. The strawman caricature of Michael Moore as a guy who hates America and guns is not truthful. There are ways in which he could be parodied in a truthful way, but painting him as anti-American and screaming “Guns are not the answer” while banging the butt of a rifle against the floor (after which the gun goes, off. Ho ho ho), is not parodying anything real. It’s like doing a parody of GWB in which he wears a klan hood. It’s not wit or insight, just comforting demonization.
Yeah, well, one time, there was this stegosaurus who was a real asshole…
I won’t be answering any of your questions until you answer my very relevant one.
How is it a straw man? The two incidents have people from one nation attacking another without the permission or sanction of their home country. He thinks we should have blamed and attacked Saiudi because some of the hijackers were Saudi. I am asking whether Nicaragua should have attacked us because Walker was American. I understand that he and you don’t like the quesiton because it would make you contradict yourself, but that’s your problem, not mine.
Did he post in this thread?