Just to emphasize this, Flight 77 never flew over water. The plane was supposed to go to Los Angeles. It took off from Dulles Airport, which is in Virginia and flew over Virginia and West Virginia. It was turned around at the border of West Virginia and Ohio and the transponder was shut off around that point. So to answer ivan astikov’s question, no, there are no big expanses of water between where Flight 77 went off radar and where it hit the Pentagon. It was over dry land the whole time unless you think there are some oceans in the middle of West Virginia.
“Weight and the force of gravity”?? - Aaauugh! They’re the same thing, not two different things!
*The weight of an object **is the force of gravity on the object *and may be defined as the mass times the acceleration of gravity, w = mg.
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I’m asking you what moron came up with the plan you are discussing.
You aren’t being persecuted. You’re being shown that you don’t understand the issues.
Why don’t you address the issue Marley brought up? Do you actually think they flew a plane into the ocean so they could launch a missile into the Pentagon? Are you actually so divorced from reality that you think this is a good idea?
You should really think about what you’re arguing, because if your thesis is simply “they did something” you aren’t going to be able to convince anyone.
He might have concluded that you must have been talking about him because nobody on the planet except for him could possibly entertain the plan he’s proposing.
No, I’m suggesting it never came back, and that what did was not a civilian plane.
Anyone got ONE PICTURE of a body part coming out from the Pentagon wreckage? One that had been on Flight 77, that is.
:rolleyes:
Here’s some
Well, he might actually think that.
I haven’t said I’m being persecuted, so don’t be so melodramatic.
How easy would it be for an inexperienced pilot to lose control during this manoeuvre… unlikely, likely, or highly likely?
Seconded - one of the two reasons you’re not being taking seriously is that your Just Asking Questionsing off, and not proposing a coherent notion of what you think did happen.
The other problem is that every time we try to construct plans that are compatible with the alternative explanations you’re proposing, all such plans all turn out to be batshit insane.
I’ll show you one if you’ll show me a missile first. Or whatever your “what did” is.
The same plane he said was just dumped in a large body of water to dispose of the evidence? Let’s recap - we have brand new, top secret, state of the art military explosives (according to Ivan) capable of bringing down an entire building - and yet, when they are placed can be placed such that they are completely invisible to everybody in the vicinity! And now - we have a missile that can strike the pentagon that nobody sees, followed by an airplane that was previously dumped in the ocean just so we can convince the rubes on the highway that an airplane struck the pentagon! Dayum! I had no idea our technology had come so far! We’re awesome!
Sickening, and sadly also easily debunked.
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html
Moussaui trial evidence. Start at piece 20042 and go down from there.
NOTE: THAT LINK GOES TO A LIST OF EVIDENCE. SOME OF THE PHOTOS LINKED THERE ARE VERY, VERY GRAPHIC! NSFW! NSFW! NSFW! NSFW!
Unlike, y’know, crashing the plane into a building, which is totally safe. Heck, you’d almost think that the government was claiming that the people flying the plane weren’t professional 747 pilots!
“The inanity, the ranting and raving, the way he never gave up. We all thought on the SDMB, all of us experienced conspiracy theory debunkers, that that was someone with actual knowledge of the incident. You don’t make wild accusations in that manner. It’s unsafe.”
Actually I misread him - he’s merely proposing that the plane was bait-and-switched, and the original plane was crashed (unnoticed) into some inland lake, where it and its contents and occupants dissolved and disappeared completely, as all 747s do because they are made of sugar.
I don’t need to propose a coherent notion; if someone can propose an all-powerful deity, or an extremely Big Bang as the cause of everything and be taken seriously, I think I’m on very good ground with the suggestion that there are evil forces on this planet, and they have fuck all to do with the supernatural.
You’re suggesting those Forces of Evil cocked up a plan that’s eighteen different kinds of nonsense, and your proposal for how they pulled it off contradicts physics, eyewitness accounts and, from what I can tell, geography, among other things.
Now we’re getting somewhere! Have you ever seen Chewbacca eat sugar? Of course not! It makes no sense because wookies don’t eat sugar! So how can Chewbacca fly a 747 made out of sugar and bring down the world trade center and the pentagon? It makes no sense! If it makes no sense - then the only thing that does make sense is that the government did it! Of course!
There is actual positive evidence for the big bang, which is something your pet incoherent notions can only dream of but never aspire to. However you are indeed in the same excellent boat as young earth creationists. (Regular christians don’t have as much proof against them as you do.)