You don’t need to look for it. The signs will be obvious if you come across them.
There’s a hole-shaped hole, that’s good enough. What I always wondered was this: if an airplane didn’t crash into the Pentagon, then there’s an entire airliner full of passengers missing. Where are the passengers? Where’s the plane?
There is a small exhibition at a museum in Belfast, they just reproduce the frontpage of various papers from around the world on Sep 12th, 2001. It was fascinating and sad.
No one is claiming it was a “typical” controlled demolition, so none of that is really relevant.
If god himself were to come down and take you back in time and personally escort you through every part of the WTC at every second preceding and following the crash and personally showed you the lack of explosives, would that prove to you that there were none?
[Scenario 1: you answer no]: then clearly you are incapable of being convinced by evidence, so I’m clearly right to think you’re incorrect and I win the argument.
[Scenario 2: you answer yes]: Well, that’ll never happen, so your desire for evidence cannot be satisfied, so clearly you are incapable of being convinced by evidence, so I’m clearly right to think you’re incorrect and I win the argument.
Well played, ivan, well played.
So you have no evidence, and just hand-wave away when people show you that you ideas are silly?
You aren’t keeping your mind open, you’re closing it to the actual facts.
Are there any deep expanses of water between where the plane went off radar, then flew around for a bit and then came back and hit the Pentagon?
A criminal investigation doesn’t need evidence to start out, it just needs reasonable grounds for suspicion of a crime having occurred, and if you don’t feel there was even that, knowing what a lying bunch of bastards are running the show, trying to convince you otherwise is about as worthwhile as trying to convince a Catholic that the Muslims have called it right.
So the argument is that the plane was diverted for a while, the missile was shot at the pentagon and exploded, and then in the aftermath, they flew the plane in and crashed it into the hole from the missile? (And nobody noticed because obviously the smoking hole in the Pentagon was boring and nobody was paying any attention to it at all.)
Is that really your explanation?
Your theory is that a plane full of people took off from Washington DC flying west, was turned around, then overflew its target, and was crashed into the Atlantic Ocean so a missile could be fired into the Pentagon? What kind of drooling moron would come up with that plan?
Hey Ivan - the WTC weighed approximately 500,000 tons and was just short of 1700 feet tall. In your mind what kind of damage do you expect to see when you drop nearly a billion pounds of material 1000 feet? Really think about the forces involved when that material hits the ground. Think about the earthquake that was generated in that area. Think about how the material will spread out as it strikes the ground.
Are you saying that the clandestine explosives you believe could have been placed in the WTC would be more powerful than the force already generated by the collapse? If the answer is yes, please stop watching cartoons and pick up an actual physics book to understand real world dynamic forces! I don’t believe you have even the slightest grasp of what kinds of forces the structures in the area were exposed to.
This is getting remarkably close to ‘A wizard did it’.
Ivan - in your explanation please remember to account for the 100s of people on the freeway who saw the actual plane, not a missile, fly over them and then strike the Pentagon. Was it a mass hallucination? Did Dick Cheney decide to blow a whole bunch of LSD over the freeway that day to warp ther minds? Did Bush authorize a team of crack hypnotists to convince them they saw the plane to cover for the missile?
What kind of missile would cause a fireball to occur if it hit the Pentagon?
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Insults in GD, and from a moderator at that! Or was that “drooling moron” aimed at someone else, Marley23? Perhaps if you can’t control your irritation you should go and have a lie down, or maybe start a Pit thread?
Care to lob some evidence my way? You’re arguing in motion, you don’t seem to have an actual idea of what happened and flop around between insinuations and dismissals based on nothing more than your ignorance of the issues.
Heck, I just want him to account for the newscrews that were pointing their cameras at the Pentagon after the missile struck. Seriously you were not hallucinating: he proposed that the plane came back and hit the Pentagon too.
There are thousands upon thousands of bodies, video tape, piles of rubble, photos and papers as evidence that what most people think happened really did.
There is not a single solitary nut, bolt, wick, memo or match head that suggests ivan is anything but – to be charitable – extremely misguided.
Given that those are the facts, and given that he has had ample opportunity to learn those facts, and given that he has not provided even the tiniest sliver of credible evidence that supports the things he is saying…
ah, nevermind. It’s the Internet. Clearly there’s nothing better to do here.
Did they all appear in court to give their testimony? Linkypoo, please?
It’s pretty obvious that it was directed at whoever you think might have come up with that plan. He obviously wasn’t talking about you. :rolleyes: