An off-the-shelf, manned mission to Mars?

Actually the Apollo CSM/LM traveled at a constantly changing speed. They initially reached earth escape velocity of about 25,000 mph (11.2 km/sec), which continuously decreased due to earth’s gravity. At the earth/moon gravitational center point, called equigravisphere, the distance from earth was 217,000 mi (350,000 km), and the velocity was roughly 3000 ft/sec (2000 mph, or about 0.92 km/sec). From that point velocity began increasing due to the moon’s gravity.

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may99/927471755.As.r.html

Apollo took about 75 hr to reach the moon, a distance of about 240,000 mi (386,000 km). This equates to an average speed of 3200 mph (1.4 km/sec), based on straight-line earth/moon positioning.

I’m not sure how relevant Apollo earth/moon transit time is to a hypothetical manned Mars mission.

Sticking to the initial posted conditions (money no object, use off-the-shelf hardware), you’d spend whatever money was required to achieve a transit time amenable to human astronauts.

If we back off the “money no object” criteria and assume an economic limit of, say, $200 to $400 billion (roughly equal to the Iraq war), you could still achieve transit times of much less than a year. Depending on the technology you might achieve six months, so Apollo transit time isn’t really related to that.

Probably very little. They were trading off transit time vs. delta V. it was no big deal to make the trip a little longer in return for more payload. The advantages of cutting transit time for a Mars trip would be much greater.

First of all, to address the OP’s question, no, it can’t be done with existing hardware, or equipment readily derived from current hardware. As others have noted, the Shuttle can’t even get beyond near earth orbit (see this recent thread), nor do we have the capability to perform a direct ground-to-interplanetary mission for any vessel large enough to serve as a lifesystem for interplanetary travel.

Second, as many have pointed out, creating a closed-system environment capable of sustaining life (with the requisite redunancy) for the 29 months required for a minimum energy Hohmann transfer is beyond what we currently have available. Remember, no lifeboat back home, no Progress supply ships; your system has to be failsafe and redundant. Providing rotation for gravity simulation seems simple, but we’ve never done it with a permenant space habitat; it may seem simple, but even a small instability can cause a catastrophic, unrecoverable problem in interplanetary space, and propulsion would have to account for gyroscopic forces or cancel the spin during navigation maneuvers.

Even more problematic is radiation shielding; while a powerful magnetic field could deflect charged particles emitted by the Sun, such an intense field would require more energy than we could conceivably provide, and as Frylock notes, such a field may have detrimental effects on the crew. (Long term effects of intense magnetic fields is an area not well developed.) This fact is glossed over not just by Zubin but by most proposals for a Mars mission. See this thread for more discussion on the hazards of radiation in space.

The propulsion issue detailed by mr_wired isn’t really a problem; if we can get to a cislunar orbit, it takes very little extra delta-V to achieve an Earth escape orbit. Insertion into Mars orbit is a little more tricky, as you have to carry the additional fuel (or perform some kind of risky aerobraking maneuver with your interplanetary craft), but the delta-V requirements aren’t prohibitive. Ditto for the return flight. However, the extended duration of a free Hohmann trajectory exposes your crew to grave risk from solar flares along with the other hazards of space and microgravity. (The same problem, with regard to flares, existed during the Apollo program but the short mission durations and the ability of mission planning to avoid times of known peak activity minimized the risk. A months-long mission wouldn’t have the same benefit.) It would be much preferable to have some kind of low constant thrust, high specific impulse motor than can use a flatter powered orbit trajectory to reduce that time by a half order of magnitude or better. Although we have some ion/plasma motors in development for low propellent stationkeeping operations for satellites, we don’t have anything in the works that is sufficient to be used for a large craft.

So, not only could we not conceivably do a Mars mission with off-the-shelf equipment, but we lack the experience and technology to do it with any degree of safety and a reasonable chance of success (90%+) at all. At a minimum, we’d need both better environment systems, some way to spin for gravity and protect against radiation, or a higher I[sub]sp[/sub] constant thrust propulsion system, all of which are decades away from man-rated operation. At a mimimum, even with a massive, Apollo-style blank check effort I can’t see it taking less than on close order of two decades to develop and mature the requisite technology.

I won’t even get into the question of why you’d want to send people to Mars when there are far more scientific and resource valuable targets that are much easier to reach.

Stranger

A weaker magnetic field might work, if it’s filled with plasma. (Poster session abstract)
Combine that with a plastic ship, and it might be enough. Certainly not off the shelf, but maybe enough.

Couldn’t you also use a chaotic capture by Phobos and Deimos? I’d trust that a bit more than an aerobraking maneuver, and it’d use considerably less fuel than a rocket orbital insertion.

So, are these Mars Astronauts going to be explorers, or colonists?

The math to get a lunar Lander sized object through a Hohmann Transfer between the planets describes the object that is going to return to Earth. That object is going to have to lift off from Mars, and then make that trip. The object that goes to Mars has to carry all that, and land on Mars safely, still pointing upwards, and not leaking fuel, air, or blood.

Mass, mass, mass, and money, money, money.

Tris

“You can’t always get what you want.” ~ M. Jagger/K. Richards ~

Depends on how certain you are about your approach velocity–it would have to be very close to Mars escape velocity, perhaps within a fraction of a percent–and how finely you think you can control the maneuver. Plus, you’re going to have to control your injection trajectory so that Deimos and Phobos are in just the right position. A single missed approach and you go flying on in a long elliptical orbit. But I’ve never done a trajectory calculation like that, only single pass “slingshot” flybys, so I can’t say just how critical it is, only that it intuitively seems pretty risky to me. This seems to be the standard text on capture dynamics; maybe I should get it, grind out a little simulation code and feed it to the beowulf cluster at work as a “configuration test problem”? :wink:

I think the long transfer time of a Hohmann orbit is going to be prohibitive, though; it’s going to add up to substantially more mass (in terms of supply), more risk, and more long-term exposure. The layover on Mars isn’t really any safety than loitering about in interplanetary space, either; it lacks a magnetic field and thick atmosphere to protect crew on the ground, so a way of reducing or eliminating the layover time to get in position for a return transit is highly desireable. I think ultimately we’re going to need some kind of high specific impulse propulsion, be it ion, plasma, nuclear HP steam, or whatever, is going to be critical in a successful manned interplanetary mission.

Stranger