An Open Letter

Dear SDMB Participants,

I propose that we completely ignore posts and posters who show themselves to be insane.

This is not a new idea. In fact, I am reminded of Gaudere’s timeless classic, “For some reason, I cannot join in the praise of the insane trolls.” There have also been references to Coventry in the past. So I’m no innovative genius, no forward-thinking visionary.

I am simply sick of it.

Why do we do it? I can tell you why I leapt on the Mikey thread. I saw logical inconsistencies, and wanted to resolve them. I suppose in the back of my mind, I assumed that he would either admit his deception or vanish.

Neither has occurred.

Those that revel in this board’s purpose, in its strengths, hold reason and logic in high regard. Although at times fiercely partisan, we generally can acknowledge a contrary proof, a well-scored point, a valid alternative view. So when someone comes along who values none of these things, we (or I, anyway) find it difficult to abandon the tools of logic, debate, and reasoning. But these weapons are unavailing against someone who is willing to spin new identities, fantastic fables, and vituperative insults. We can’t win. He’s like the Hydra; cut off one identity (a daunting task in itself) and another one, or two, grow in its place. Yet we continue to post disproving facts, debunk claims, as though it will have some effect.

It won’t.

So I am suggesting – nay, pleading – with the rational folk that make up the vast majority here.

Stop feeding the conflict. Stop contributing to a thread when it becomes overwhelmingly clear that there is no good-faith effort on the part of the opposition to learn, debate, or exchange ideas.

Stop.

That’s all.

I don’t know if he/they will go away. I don’t much care. It will cease to be my concern. I’m working on my beatific Zen-like smile right now, in fact. It has a ways to go, I admit. But this is the right answer. Just stop.

That’s all.

Cheers,
Rick

Man, I like this guy.

“…”


Coldfire


"You know how complex women are"

  • Neil Peart, Rush (1993)

Do we have to wait for them to come up with an insane post, or can we simply command them: “Show me you’re nuts.” :slight_smile:


When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled

didnt it go like this:
show me your nuts?

eh…uuu…nevermind…

bj0rn - wasnt me

If only you had said “your”.

Hey AWB, was it hard to write “you’re” instead of “your” :slight_smile:

Dammit bj0rn, I make my first witticism, and you had to simulpost.

Hey, three filthy-minded simulposts!
bj0rn, SterlingNorth, Mr Thin Skin - filthy minded clique

Bricker:

Hey, I agree with you. I for one attempt to adopt this strategy, and pretty much ignore a poster once they’ve been outed as a lunatic.

The problem is that sometimes a lot of effort has to be wasted to determine this.

I think it does help that a certain amount of attention be brought to these guys, so that others don’t waste time thinking they might be bonafide.

Unfortunately, this leads to innate suspicion of new folks, but I think in light of recent events most will be forgiving towards a little suspicion.

Dannyboy was certainly outed pretty quickly and is probably now safe to ignore until his next incarnation.

As I mentioned to him, I try to deal with people based on the merits of their arguments. I think the fundamental difference between us and the majority of these guys, is their unwillingness to concede any point, no matter how small. It literally drives them nuts.

Maybe somebody should start a “Methodology and Fundamentals of Troll Detection” thread.

Shortly after joining this board I posted a “why feed trolls?” thread. I must admit that I find myself becoming agitated by otherwise seemingly intelligent & quick members who encourage these jerks.

The responses I got can be summarized as “it’s fun!” I guess it’s just human nature. We all know that if there are no responses the trolls & lunatics will disappear. Some folks just like to play with them.

Good luck in your campaign, but I fear it is doomed.

Ahh, OldBroad – that’s the beauty of my campaign. Its scope is limited to me. And I’ve been completely won over by my brilliant prose and impassioned pleas, and am a convert. :slight_smile:

I just posted this in the hopes that it would persuade others who were in my shoes – those still genuinely trying to unravel the truth of these propositions. But if someone enjoys dancing with a ghost, then by all means, they should continue to argue with the insane trolls. It’s cheaper than buying a PlayStation, and arguably more fun.

It’s just not for me, that’s all.

  • Rick

I’d reply to this, but I’m studiously ignoring you all … :smiley:


–Da Cap’n
“Playin’ solitaire 'til dawn
With a deck of fifty-one.”

It’s always a fine line, innit? At what point are you trying to fight ignorance and at what point are you simply being baited?

An excellent question. And I have no idea how to craft a bright-line test for it. I suspect I’ll know it when I see it. But no matter where the line is drawn, this latest poster is on the wrong side of it.

  • Rick

I think it’s usually easier to see it in retrospect (hindsight is 20/20). As Scylla noted, at first, for example, we didn’t know N/A was the troll he turned out to be. By the time we can look back and say, “Man, we wasted time on that,” it’s already too late. Add to that the new folks (new to the discussion, that is, not necessarily new to the MB) who come in and say, “Hey, what’s going on?” and then the people who have been in the middle of it go through it again.

How about this: whenever a poster wishes to declare another poster a lunatic (or his/her views on a particular topic lunatic, at any rate), they post something to this effect: “I, MissDavis102, do hereby proclaim that Phaedrus (or whomever) is a lunatic. His views on this topic are unsound, and his arguments are nonsensical. Any poster who continues to argue with him on this topic will be severely pummelled. Is there a second?” Then another poster has to second the motion that the lunatic is a lunatic, at which point any portions of the thread dealing with or created by the said lunatic will be forever forgotten, and any further posts will be treated as so much empty space. (That way any rational debate/whatever in a thread won’t be dead, but the evil influence will be erradicated. As for the pummelling mentioned above, I can’t promise anything.)

O.K., I’ll stop with the drive-bys for the moment to say something.

To kind of extend the line of thinking of CKDext, there is also the time invested in the argument. When I get into an argument with someone who eventually proves him/herself to be an idiot, I’m not going to stop until either
[list=a][li]admits he’s bullshitting me, or[/li][li]I lose my voice (Yeah, I’m talking about verbal debates here. I havent hung out in GD in a while)[/list=a][/li]
Why, in the weird contest of argument, silence means defeat, and the longer you’ve been arguing, the more embarassing it would be to be stumped by somemone who’s yanking your chain.

I guess I’m just immature in that way.

We now return you to SterlingNorth’s standard drive-by.

I’ve been trying to get people to stop the nonsense for months now too. My best guess is that they truely get off on “beating up”, “one upping”, and “outing” trolls. It apparently is a huge bag of fun to see how weird the unstable posters get, and bicker back and forth.

Whatever. I’ve stopped reading those threads and stopped trying to understand this seemingly uncontrollable urge.

I’ll NEVER understand the idea of loudly yelling and carrying on at someone to “Go Away”, starting a fight etc. All you have to do is starve them. So far my efforts to get this point across have been ignored. It’s nice to see at least one other person who feels the same, though.

People who feed the trolls remind me of myself as a child. My sister used to play the most annoying game in the world to tease me. She would mimic every single word I said and every single action. I would get so mad and upset that I would scream and cry for her to stop, which made it much more fun for her.

It was a beautiful day when I discovered that all I had to do was close my eyes.

Game over.

I think a lot of people here have yet to get genuinely tired of the game. They’re still running around screaming “stop” and pointing out the other persons idioic behavior. Someday each of them will hopefully reach a point where they actually want it to stop, and just close their eyes.

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I’m with ya all the way Bricker, the only way to get rid of the trolls is to ignore them. (And how to tell if they’re trolls? wait. NA didn’t act like one for quite a while, but when he did finally show his true colors I think it would have been much more effective(not to mention frustrating for him) if everyone just ignored him completely.)