An Oscar nomination is NOT a prize

Hollywood PR machines are of course going to try to milk as much whatever out of anything, but I do get sick of hearing “earned an Oscar nomination.”

First off, you don’t “earn” a prize; that’s simply not colloquial English. You “win” a prize. If you don’t “earn” the prize itself, then you don’t “earn” a nomination for the same prize.

This isn’t merely a matter of idiom, either. We tend to use the word “earn” when the reward accrue to labor according to a predermined formula. Hence, I earn my salary; I don’t earn my Lotto winnings. Contrariwise, I don’t “win” my salary.

www.m-w.com also gives the following:

This would seem to be the meaning of “earn” closest to justifying “earn an Oscar” (though not necessarily “earn an Oscar nomination”); however, I say this still won’t do. A promotion, in theory, can be “earned” because of the performance of the candidate(s) as based in fact and objectively measured, not merely because of opinion, as most contests are.

We could, however, note that a star’s performance is so good that his/her receiving an Oscar for it goes beyond mere arbitrary judgment; that s/he “earned it” or “really earned it.” But so saying is to make a claim and express an opinion of our own, not merely to convey the fact that s/he received an Oscar, which is to say, won it.

In terms of praxis as opposed to theory, if you Google “earned an Oscar,” you get a mere 17,000 entries. If, however, you Google “won an Oscar,” you get 185,000 entries. “Earned an Oscar nomination” gets you 11,500 entries, nearly as much for “earned an Oscar” itself (hmm, interesting). “Won an Oscar nomination,” not suprisingly, yields just 5,300 entries.

The reason why publicists say “earned an Oscar nomination” is fairly obvious: they want to spin it (receiving the nomination, which is also to say, losing the Oscar itself) in the most positive light. Saying “win a nomination” grates too obviously against common idiom, not to mention common sense, whereas “earned a nomination” manages to slip in under the radar.

I, for one, however, call bullshit. An Oscar nomination is not a prize; it’s simply what it is: a nomination. It’s nice to be nominated, but it doesn’t mean that the august Academy has conveyed any particular honor or recognition of goodness upon one. (Indeed, who can doubt that many nominations are just “filler” that have no chance against the one or two real contenders?)

Tell me what you think.

I think of an Oscar nomination as an honor, not a prize. In my view, you “earn” an honor.

I don’t agree. Do you “earn” an honorary degree?

An honorary degree is generally given in recognition of an achievement. Isn’t that earning? It’s not as if honorees are selected at random.

An oscar nomination is not a prize, it is an honor. Hence, you win an oscar, but you earn a nomination.
Sounds like perfectly fine colloquial English to me.

I’m not buying that “earn an honor” is common idiom. It is by no means patently absurd, but it does not sound right to my ear.

I get 12,000 hits when I enter “earn an honor” or “earn the honor” into Google. Seems common enough to me.

“win an honor” + “win the honor” = 8,000

Man, of all the pointless things to worry about.

Sorry, but you earn an Oscar nomination by your hard work. It’s a perfectly fine idiom that only the most anal retentive person would have any problem with.

As a long time college prof, it has been my experience that a sizable fraction of honorary degrees are given to people with $$$. Some may have “achieved” their money but some merely inherited it or some such. Of the non-rich, most of the remaining are choosen for PR reasons, they are known to give satisfactory speeches (a rarity!), etc.

In short, most definitely not “earned” IMHO.

But isn’t there at least a pretense that they have been earned?

And what about a legitimate academic degree that is awarded “with honors?” I certainly feel as if I earned that.

I’ve heard various versions:

  • he was nominated for an Oscar for his role in XYZ…
  • his role in XYZ earned him an Oscar nomination…
  • his performance in XYZ won him an Oscar nomination…

They all seem fine to me.

That is quite low.

The things you learn on SDMB.
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Yes, through a predetermined formula based on GPA.

And don’t confuse some posters’ calling an Oscar nomination an “honor” (their opinion) with universities’ granting of degrees with honors (a standard practice).

“Winning” a nomination sounds fine to you?

Indeed, “earning” is higher for honors than “winning.”

So then the question becomes whether a nomination is an honor or a prize.

You don’t “earn” an honor; you don’t “win” an honor. Neither. Usually, you are “granted” an honor. Granted an honorary degree, etc.

Your point is moot re the Oscar nomination for the reason above and also for the fact that the nomination is neither an honor nor a prize. It’s a nomination for a prize. It’s a matter of personal opinion whether being nominated is an “honor” or not.

I’m surprised that so many are eager to defend the semantics of Hollywood publicists. Sheesh.

Nope, people are commenting because you’re wrong.

Those who are nominated for an award, who are in the short list to be voted on to win that award, have earned that nomination. They haven’t won it, nor have they been honored by it. They earned it by their achievement.

When you say:

you’re wrong in many ways.

For one thing, people win the Oscar all the time who aren’t expected to win. That means they aren’t filler in anybody’s minds, except possibly yours, which doesn’t count. People get on the ballot by getting more votes than the rest of all the people in movies. It certainly does mean that “the august Academy has conveyed any particular honor or recognition of goodness upon one.” What could making the Oscar ballot mean except a recognition of goodness?

And yes, it is nice to be nominated. It is a permanent recognition; it will follow one to one’s grave. It’s not a prize, it’s an honor. You are not “granted” a spot on the ballot, so you haven’t given a single acceptable substitute for “earned.”

You’re losing this argument because you don’t have a leg to stand on. If this is a pet peeve of yours, so be it. We all have them. But Hollywood publicists have nothing to do with it. Earned a nomination is standard English, good for any and all prize competitions.

You just get left off a ballot or something? :smiley:

Folks, folks, an Oscar is neither a “prize” nor an “honor”; it’s an award. Come on, what’s Oscar’s full name? Academy Award.

And yes, you can earn an award. You could earn a “perfect attendance award” by having perfect attendance, for instance.

And you can also earn a nomination. Like when we talk about a presidential candidate earning his party’s nomination.

If a film can’t “earn” an Oscar or Oscar nomination, can we still talk about whether such and such a film deserved to be nominated?