Animal Control Worker feeds puppies to snake

The animal most likely to find a home in this scenario is the snake, give the aforementioned 10% shot at adoption these puppies had. Indeed, it did find a home already. The limiting factor in pet adoptions is not the supply of animals, but the supply of good homes. This animal worker’s actions did nothing to affect that. Presumably, the same number of people came into the shelter looking for puppies, and adopted another of (probably) countless puppies still alive. Therefore, the snake gets to eat, and the net increase in the killing of puppies is 0.

My mom used to volunteer 3 days a week at the animal shelter. Cleaning out crap and such. Did it to be with the animals, figuring it was the last days for most of them. She’d come home crying at least 2-3 times per month. They offered her a paying job, but she refused because part of it was killing the animals after a few days. She couldn’t do it. My point is, they pay these people to kill the animals (that mankind unnaturally helps perpetuate), and now one of them is up on charges because the way she did it is not acceptable. Fucking ridiculous.

Well said, Cranky. The issue here is not that someone fed puppies to a snake; the issue is that there are so many ‘surplus’ puppies in this country that we have public organizations whose basic responsibility is to get rid of that ‘surplus’, one way or another. If you’re looking for someone to blame in this situation, throw a rock. :mad: :frowning:

Elf6c, the cite I’d give you would be the statistics I ran last Friday for the open-access shelter I work for. I don’t have the stats with me, but I promise you that juvenile animals surrendered by their owners are the single largest source of animals at our shelter.

And this makes sense: most people who bring animals in aren’t going to be bringing in the companion animals they’ve formed emotional attachments to. They bring in the products of their irresponsibility: the puppies, the kittens that their pets gave birth to because the owner was too lazy, cheap, arrogant, or ignorant to get their pets sterilized. Those puppies and kittens are the ones that fill the euthanasia rooms at shelters across the country.

Do I sound bitter? I am. Get your damn pets spayed and neutered.

Ahem. Forgive me. My point is that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of puppies are euthanized every year without ever being made available for adoption. That these animals were killed by a snake rather than by a gas chamber may be an issue, but only if you believe that the gas chamber is less cruel than a snake, and only if you believe either that puppies are more deserving of a painless death than rats, or you believe that no live animals should be fed to snakes at all.

(For what it’s worth, it’s policy at lots of shelters to have no time limit on animals in the adoption room. This lessens the pressure on adopters to choose an animal simply to “save” it, and it lessens the emotional burden on shelter workers who bond with animals in the adoption room. This policy does mean that many animals will be euthanized without ever being made available for adoption; such is the consequence of dog and cat overpopulation).

Daniel

You are implying she should not feed the snake at all?

As soon as the caregiver picks up a feeder animal it is “under (her) care”, and therefore off limits as food? Some people breed their own rats, and are clearly the primary caregivers of said rats, and provide a comfortable (if brief) life for them, solely to be used as feeder animals.

The snake’s not a vegetarian, you know. And the caregiver isn’t wrong for feeding it a proper diet.

What would have been wrong would be for the caregiver not to feed the snake.

Actually, I’ve read that feeding live prey to a snake is a bad idea, period. The snake can be damaged by the struggle, or blinded. Additionally, it was written that freezing the rats for some period of time first prevented the snake getting parasites from the food animal.

So, it seems to me as if this animal worker more than deserved her firing, and the snake should also go to someone with a real clue how to take care of it.

<shivers> That sure, heck-all beats pulling the wings off flies as icky, too. I don’t want to be around someone who is willing to watch a snake kill a whole litter of puppies. I’ve whelped my own litter, when the dog I adopted turned out to be pregnant, rather than fat. I struggled to find them all good homes, to train them properly, to raise them up to be friendly, loving puppies who trusted and liked people. This required a lot of effort.

All I can say is some people are a waste of oxygen.

Wow- that has to be a record for making up bullshit unfounded assumptions in favor of your position. Please review the story (I provided a link) to see where any of those facts is supported. Unlike DanielWithrow or belladonna’s well thought out posts, I just see a bunch of b.s. assumptions designed to fit your worldview. Let me point them out:

“all” where was this said? That’s right, it wasn’t.

Bullshit. Cite? No luck find this? Why-- cause you just assumed this so your pro-snake rantings wouldn’t sound so damn stupid. Obviously, that didn’t work.

Versus reality:

Everyone knows about those crazed weeks old puppies.

Obviously I thanked everone for their quality posts a bit too soon.

:rolleyes:

May I be the first to say: Thank you, Daniel, for doing a difficult job, cleaning up after society’s irresponsibility.

I to thank you Daniel- tough job.

Nice to see that the “Bambi” issue is still doing well…

Oh no! not PUPPIES!!!

yes, puppies. saves on the gas bill and the snake food bill.

I think it’s just the context.

No, I suppose it is not good to starve snakes. I HATE snakes, but I don’t think you should starve them.

But…why was she feeding them puppies? For a good time? Please.

Yes, I admit it, I’m an animal snob. I think kitties are the best, and I love puppies and bunnies and anything cute. I admit it.

I couldn’t bring myself to read the actual article, but did it say why she was doing this?

Apologies in advance for the parsing I’m going to do here…

Of course not. What I’m saying is that puppies given to the shelter are generally given under the assumption that they are to be adopted out if possible. Animals that you are given responsibility for the care of do not fall into the “food” category.

Now, if the puppies were already on the euthanasia list, that would put a different spin on it. But still, the shelter worker’s job, and the public assumption, is that the animals will not be fed to each other. Therefore, she violated the trust of her employers and the public.

No, because when a pet store owner sells a “feeder rat”, it is very clearly with the assumption that the animal will be fed to a snake. When a person gives a puppy to a shelter, they would tend to assume that the puppy was not going to be immediately fed to a hungry reptile.

Now if the shelter had a notice that said “Warning: the puppy you drop off may be fed to a python,” they’d have no cause for complaint. I think it’s safe to say there was no such notice.

Irrelevant. See above.

No shit.:rolleyes:

Agreed. The wrong part was feeding it animals that should have been on the “for adoption” list.

Thanks, guys! But I should point out that the euthanasia technicians are the ones with the really tough jobs. I just do the paperwork.

Anyway, it’s a very interesting discussion. There’s a fair amount of disagreement amongst humane society folks about this as well. You’d be amazed by the number of nonvegetarians working for humane societies :).

Daniel

I was thinking maybe some door-to-door missionary had converted her to Thulsa Doom’s snake cult. “Good afternoon, ma’am. we’re from the Church of Herpetology, and we’d like you to have one of our brochures.”

…ahem…

Little Bird
Proud mother of Joel, Crow, Tom Servo, Torgo, and Lucky, five happy, healthy, funny, affectionate feeder rats.

But, puppies or rats, if they were meant to be adopted, it was wrong. If they were going to die anyway, it’s a creative use of resources.

I’ve seen a pack of Pit Bulls (owned by gangbanger thugs) rip apart a kitten for sport. Maybe the “unadoptable” small cats brought into the shelter ought to be given to the big pack dogs as chew toys/snacks? I mean, they’ll be dead within minutes, and they’re gong to be gassed anyway, and the dogs need to have recreation and treats too, right?

Right?

tlw that is SO not even in the same ballpark as this situation, and you know it. Notice your own words—“for sport”—and think again about what kind of point you’re trying to make.

I fully agree with you that every puppy, kitty, etc etc etc shoud be adopted, or at very least on the “for adoption” list. (Hell, I’d take them all myself if I could.)

But sad facts are that the vast, vast, stunning majority ARE NEVER, EVER, EVER going to be adopted, even though they’re on the “for adoption” list just to make us (the humans) feel better about the situation as it is. They are going to die, soon, and usually in a bad way. Does that make it “right” to feed them to a snake? I suspect (can’t say for sure, but strongly suspect) that the snake would disagree with you.

I think the shelters are lying by giving the false impression that they are “shelters”. “Death camps” would be more accurate. (Truck them in, parcel out the useful ones, gas the majority.) Yes, there are some ‘no kill’ shelters, but they are the exception rather than the rule.

That’s exactly what we need: “The animal you drop off will most likely die a horrible death.” Yes. That is what we need to tell people, because that’s what happens. If anything, this episode serves as a wakeup call as to what happens to most, almost all, animals dropped off in shelters. Yes. They die bad deaths, via python or otherwise. Yes, that fact needs to be made widely known. No, I am not being sarcastic.

For the record, if you give any animal to the animal shelter, the assumption should be that they are going to die. This is just plain statistics. Once you’ve committed to that fact, it’s none of your damned business what the animal shelter does with it, other than the fact that you may be a taxpayer. That animals can be divided based on names humans give them (“feeder rats”, “pets”) is ridiculous and demeaning to the life of all creatures.

Listen, elf, I’m making these ‘assumptions’ based on my knowledge of how animal control organizations work, and my own 6+ years volunteering at shelters. Generally, if an animal is in the care of animal control, they are there for the reasons which I have stated. Shelter animals, on the other hand, are usually released by their owners. If an animal is deemed adoptable once in the care of animal control, they will relinquish the animal to a shelter. My experience is in the state of Pennsylvania, so YYMV, but I am speaking from experience here. So wait a bit before you start crying bullshit, hmm?

About those crazed weeks-old puppies…I am again speaking from experience here. Any puppy that is only ‘weeks-old’ which has been relinquished to a shelter OR picked up by animal control (because even though they seem similar, they’re actually different organizations with different functions and responsibilities) will almost always have problems adjusting to a pet home later in life. Again, I speak from experience. This is because puppies must have a stable environment in early life to mature into calm and well-socialized adults. Yes, YMMV, but generally this is true. No, I will not give you any cites, because this is patently fucking obvious to anyone with any experience around dogs. A dog raised in a shelter or at animal control is stressed, isolated, and generally not very well-socialized. All this equals problems adopting. This is not all dogs, and it generally does not apply to adult dogs, nor older puppies, say 12 weeks or older.

You seem to think it’s so very wrong that someone would feed a puppy to a snake. It must be cruel and evil, right? Should the snake not be fed, because you don’t like snakes? You argued for euthanizing the snake- why? Again, because you don’t like snakes, and obviously, if you don’t like them, then no one else should. It’s heartless and cruel, you wail. Bad, evil snakes eating cute widdle puppies. Do you eat meat? Because if you do, you’d better shut your fucking mouth right now, because the meat on your table died a far worse death in far worse circumstances than those puppies did. And just like that juicy burger, you do realize these dogs were doomed, don’t you? Animal control and shelters do their best to get animals adopted, but they’re not stupid- they learn very quickly which animals make good candidates and which don’t. They obviously decided, for their own reasons, that these puppies were not adoptable. Otherwise, why were they still at animal control instead of at a shelter?

You seem to have no problem with the fact that literally millions of unwanted animals are killed every year, in ways which you yourself have admitted to finding distasteful. But bring a snake into the picture and suddenly someone has committed a crime against humanity. Where is your fucking head? Do not realize that even if these puppies had been adopted, still more puppies would have to die? There are too many puppies to meet demand, and no matter how many you adopt out, more are always going to die, until society as a whole agrees to be more responsible. You accept this, and instead you quibble over the manner of death.

You get all self-righteous over this woman, abusing her position and committing vile acts. Well good for you. I’m glad you have the luxury of feeling so innocent in this matter. Why don’t you go over to your local shelter and demand to adopt all the cute little animals they have slated for death? Maybe then you’ll see what ‘unadoptable’ actually means, because I guaranatee you, you won’t want these animals, either. Go make a round with animal control and see what happens to puppies for whom there are no homes. Come to my house sometime, and take a look at dogs I work with that were raised in shelters, and have no social skills, whose owners are ready to give up and take them back to the shelter they came from. Get your fucking head out of the clouds and realize they can’t all be saved, and death by snake is far kinder than what’s in store for tousands of puppies every day.

Jimbrowski and Macro Man,
I really think we disagree much less than you seem to think. I must not be expressing myself very well if you think I have some sort of rosy view of what goes on in shelters.

My only point is that the worker should be fired solely for the reason that she disobeyed her shelter’s policy, and not because there is something especially evil about killing puppies (as opposed to other, less cute animals). If the shelter wants to use snakes as their prime means of offing extra puppies, and is up front about it, I have absolutely no problem with that.