Another Christmas pitting thread

Inspired by an asshat who called into a talk show this morning complaining that there wasn’t “enough Christ in Christmas” any more. He apparently goes around to his neighbors and complains to them if their exterior decorations don’t have something to do with the baby Jeebuz.

Enough is enough. Those of us that are intelligent enough to understand that organized religion is a sham are really fed up to the gills with Christmas music and decorations being rammed down our throats from Labor Day onward. We are fed up with the continual Bible beating. And we are really fed up with “holier-than-thou” people of any religion, but especially Christians, who pull bullshit like the caller.

I wish he would come to my house. I would gladly explain and demonstrate just exactly how the tradition of putting an angel on top of a Christmas tree came about.

:wally

Scrooge was right: “Bah! Humbug!”

I just wonder why the fuck he believes trees and lights have ANYTHING to do with Jesus ? ? ?

Bleah. Fuck Christmas. I hate the holiday season more and more every stinkin’ year.

Happy Festive Commercial Gift Giving Season! :slight_smile:

I’m just trying to imagine what it would be like to have a neighbour actually knock on my door and tell me that my Christmas decorations don’t suit his idea of what they should be. I think I would be so totally floored by how incredibly inappropriate that is that I wouldn’t be able to come up with any response to him at all. About half an hour later, I would probably come up with some good ones.

I LOVE Christmas.

There is not an angel or a baby Jebus or a single Christian thing anywhere near my home.

If you didn’t want Christianity to be appropriated by the secular side, then maybe you shouldn’t have insisted the entire country take time off to celebrate your holiday, that we all acknowledge that it’s Christmas, that we all know what you’re talking about.

It’s your own fault. And I for one LOVE it, even if I think of it as just celebrating the end of the year/the soltice/whatever.

I just recently sent the following letter to the editor of our local paper.

To the Editor:
It amazes me how little knowledge some Christians have about our history. Each year at Christmas time I see complaints and articles from some people about “putting the Christ back in Christmas”, and “December 25th is Christ’s birthday and nothing else!”

December 25th is not Christ’s actual birthday. It was a day chosen by Pope Julius I as the symbolic day to celebrate around 350 A.D. Historical research indicates that the actual time of Christ’s birth, from information provided in biblical references, was late September/early October during the Feast of Tabernacles. When the church fathers decided to settle upon a date to celebrate the event, they chose a day near the winter solstice, since it coincided with other celebrations. December 25 was a festival day long before Christianity.

As Christianity spread among the peoples of pagan lands, many of the practices of the winter solstice were blended with those of Christianity. In the dead of winter, a celebration of the rebirth of life was symbolized in the birth of Christ. The time of the winter solstice, when days grew longer again, the return of the light became the hope of the world in the birth of Christ, “the light of the world.” Mistletoe, holly, caroling, Saint Nicholas, and Yule Logs all came from different celebrations at this time of the year across the world.

Many Christian churches outlawed the celebration of Christmas in the past. It may be somewhat of a shock to some to learn that in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, many religious organizations in the United States did not celebrate Christmas either. Quakers, Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, Mennonites, and other groups shared an aversion to paying a special honor to December 25th. Puritans declared Christmas was “an extraeme forgetfulnesse of Christ, by giving liberty to carnall and sensual delights.”

Celebrating Christmas has been controversial since its inception. Since numerous festivities found their roots in pagan practices, they were greatly frowned upon by conservatives within the Church. The feasting, gift-giving, and frequent excesses presented a drastic contrast with the simplicity of the Nativity, and many people throughout history and into the present condemn these practices as opposing the true spirit of Christmas.

Please enjoy your Holidays, Christian or otherwise, as you see fit, and leave others to do the same. Read and study your own Christian history. It’s a fascinating topic that deserves to be accurately portrayed and celebrated.

Happy Holidays to all!

I love Christmas.

I love getting together with people I love, buying gifts, sweating over details, sending cards, decorating.

I love Christmas music.

I love the old-style Christmas specials, Charlie Brown, Rudolph, Frosty. I love the movies, It’s a Wonderful Life, A Christmas Story, A Christmas Carol.

I love looking at my neighbors’ decorations, the tasteful and the bizarre.

I love giving money and gifts to charity, to the extent that I can.

I love going to church services, for the lights and music and fellowship. The only problem is they insist on talking, on telling me what God has to say. Meh. I don’t need that. I know God and God knows me.

The rest of it, that I don’t love (crowded malls, excessive advertising, preachy and judgemental people who presume stewardship of my spiritual life), I avoid assiduously.

Peace.

I’m with you Anaamika. I love this time of year.

Boggette, does that letter writer have a name and address? Because maybe we could chip in and get him a fruitcake or some mittens or something.

It’s just as lucky for him Jesus wasn’t born on Christmas: then he’d only get one present, 'cause his birthday was also Christmas.

I certainly agree that visiting your neighbor to inform them their Christmas displays are not religious enough is rude.

However, given the chorus of “Oh, me, too!” responses above, I am once again moved to point out how the SDMB population differs demographically from the actual United States of America.

For the most part, people in this country like Christmas, and celebrate Christmas with some affinity for its perceived religious roots, as well as - of course - some enthusiasm for its current unbridled consumerism.

There are a lot more athiests here than there are in the country, percentagewise, and a lot more hostility to organized religion than in the real world.

I mention this only in an effort to place in some context the enthusiastic chorus of replies that this thread will accure.

I wrote it myself, but didn’t want to include my real name/address in the paper. Some of these people get really nasty about “their” Christmas!

I could certainly use some new mittens though! I currently have only two right hand gloves.

From the article “Make A Holiday for Someone” by Mitch Alborn in tomorrow’s Parade magazine:

Celebrating Christmas–or Hanukkah or Kwanzaa–is mostly an internal thing, gathering your own loved ones, buying them presents, cooking your favorite meals.

“Making” a holiday is something else. It is constructing joy in placse and on faces that might not otherwise have it. It is an opportunity in America that cries out for participation–at nursing homes, sleters, hospitals.

And it is easier than you think.

One of the qualities I like most about the SDMB. But you’re right, it’s worth pointing out regularly, at least to us American Dopers, who sometimes forget.

What an odd coincidence. I have two left feet.

Merry Christmas, everyone!

Eve, you never fail to make me laugh. :slight_smile:

SPLORT!!!

Eve, you are a charming and witty woman, and I will propose to you just as soon as I finish cleaning the Diet Coke you just caused me to nase off my monitor and keyboard. :smiley: