Another "Common Knowledge or Fascinating Anecdotes... that unfortunately aren't true" Thread

Jeebus Sampiro, OK you mis-spoke, but don’t try to tell me what I saw you as implying wasn’t there.

Let’s break it down. First you say you remember it being lampooned. Then you say the lampooners didn’t mention her severe injury. Then you say she originally sued for more, then you say they refused to pay, then you say she deserved every penny “for what she went through”. The only mention of deserving is immediately after discussing the severity of her injury. And you say that she deserved the money because of her injury. So no mention whatever of the basis of fault, and both the sequence and the final phrase suggest that it is the severity of the injury that gave the deserving

So its
1/ lampooned
2/ injuries severe
3/ deserved money for what went through.

Tell me again how I was supposed to know you weren’t suggesting that 3 followed from 2?

I’ve worked in personal injury cases for 20 years. There are a lot of people out there who have a great deal of difficulty separating out fault from severity of injury as intellectually distinct issues. If you are not one of them, great, but I can’t feel too blameworthy for thinking that was your thrust, given what you wrote.

So are you telling me that every late night comedian cared about exactly what you’re talking about? :dubious:
I understood the lampooning that was going on at the time, and from my point of view it was “Coffee is hot=duh.” If you have any incite to what the comedians were thinking and not what the lawyers/judges were thinking, I would like you to share it. The lampooning in question was not done by the courts.

Well, for me, it was “Trying to stabilize a cup of hot coffee between your knees is dumb.” Yeah, she had probably been doing it for years, but it only had to go wrong once.

And also why one would keep jogging pants soaked with burning hot coffee on for 90 seconds. She was pretty old, so maybe limited mobility had something to do with it.

I thought it originated from an actual study that did indeed show you only use 10% of your brain on average…at any one time. Over the course of a day you end up using 100% (or close to). I could be completely wrong on this though (and probably am), I will see if I can find something to back this up.

There would be no reason for them to show the lemmings jumping off, though, if it weren’t already an idea in the popular consciousness. The (falsified) documentary footage certainly supported the idea for many people, but I doubt it was the origin.

McDonald’s was liable because she was severely injured… because if they hadn’t been negligent, she wouldn’t have been severely injured. Their negligence was in keeping the coffee at such an insanely high temperature despite knowing that it made the coffee undrinkable and dangerous if spilled.

ETA: I was originally going to post the “10% of your brain” thing, but others have beaten me to it. So I’ll just throw in a side comment. You know what it’s called when you use 100% of your brain at once? Having a seizure.

Snopes says it’s not suicide but that they accidentally fall over during migrations.

Okayyy.

Two that don’t involve hot coffee: many lists of famous gays include Abraham Lincoln and Cary Grant as if it’s now taken for granted they were gay or bisexual. I’ll admit I assumed Grant was for a while, but the evidence is far from conclusive.

Lincoln: the fact he shared a bed with his friend Joshua Speed for 4 years and wrote loving letters to him and had a nervous breakdown when he and Speed both got engaged is the most powerful evidence, but…

1- Sharing a bed in the 19th century was essentially the same as being roommates; Lincoln’s two male secretaries- not only straight but horndogs- shared a bed in the White House. While 4 years may seem a bit strange, for much if not most of that time they weren’t the only two in the room- there were as many as 6 bachelors sleeping in that room sometimes, so if it was gay sex happening then it must have been an orgy going on.*
2- Lincoln did have a depressive episode around the time he and Speed got engaged but he’d had them before.
3- His letters are definitely lovey-duvvy but not a smoking gun by any means; he had no brothers, couldn’t stand his father, and Speed was the closest thing he had to a soulmate. It could well have been platonic (or, as I’ve theorized before, it could be two straight guys sharing a bed together who may have experimented when alone, but otherwise were hetero).
4- Herndon said Lincoln had used prostitutes in his past and was worried that he had a STD around this time, which along with everything else that was troubling him in his life probably added to the already extant disposition towards depression.

Others point to the fact that Lincoln later shared a bed with his bodyguard when Mrs. Lincoln was away. Again- if Obama did this it might seem strange, but it was probably at Mrs. Lincoln’s request; she was terrified at the prospect of anything happening to him and in a world without videocams, metal detectors, ro particularly observant guards sharing a bed with a soldier is one good way to make sure your bodyguard is going to be there if anybody breaks in, plus… look what happened when he didn’t have a bodyguard nearby. (Twice actually- once he had his hat shot off while riding alone.) Plus the particular bodyguard in question later married and had 13 children, so if his wife was a beard then he either had good neighbors or closed his eyes and thought of Abe a lot.

So while it’s certainly possible he was gay, just as it’s possible he secretly believed he could fly, it’s not at all proven by anything and it’s unlikely it ever will be failing an incriminating tintype popping up.**

As for Cary Grant, much of the evidence is from Boze Hadleigh, a writer who if you know him is discredited by his name; never let truth stand in the way of a good story and based much of his writing on interviews with closeted celebrities he supposedly conducted but didn’t keep recordings of and agreed not to publish until they were dead. (I made the same promise when I interviewed Anna Nicole on her theories about the space elevator.)

Grant shared a home with Randolph Scott for several years before and after they were famous and supposedly the photos of them doing domestic things like washing dishes and horsing around in the pool made studio execs say “get 'em married to some starlet!” I find this doubtful though; this was in the 1930s and 20 years later Liberace was voted most eligible bachelor in the country several times, people just weren’t as suspicious. Also any biography of Grant speaks to his almost neurotic stinginess: he was more Jack Benny-ish than Jack Benny was in his penny pinching. He lived in mansions but bought TV dinners, marked the liquor bottles to make sure the maids weren’t stealing, would remove the emblems from his Cadillacs because Cadillac wouldn’t pay him to drive them, etc.; he had a near phobia of losing his money, so it’s probable that he shared a house with Scott to save money (especially in his early career when he had no idea if he was a star for life or a flash in the pan). Scott was similar- he invested heavily in those days (probably some of the money saved on rent) and eventually died one of the richest actors in Hollywood history from his oil and real estate investments.
There are lots of rumors that Grant used rentboys and hit on young actors but nothing conclusive and there are wild rumors about any superstar. There are rumors his first marriage was studio arranged and it may have been but even if it was it doesn’t mean he was gay- could have just meant they were concerned about gay rumors.
His marriage to Barbara Hutton certainly wasn’t arranged and he seemed to be very devoted to her. As stingy as he was he was equally scrupulous with money- of her 7 husbands he’s the only one who not only didn’t sponge off of her but kept separate accounts and paid his own way (and in later years some biographers of both claim he helped her financially). His third wife Betsy Drake certainly had many complaints about him as a husband (though she remained close friends with him always) and has always defended his heterosexuality. Sophia Loren, who he never married but had an affair with, also didn’t seem to think he was faking.
So, while there were gay rumors and he knew about them (and Chevy Chase learned he was a tad sensitive about them) there is nothing conclusive, and by now there probably would have been if it existed. So thereagain he may have had gay affairs but if he did he was very discreet and cleaned up the evidence, and there’s certainly no smoking pole and should be taken off the lists of gay/bisexual actors.

Vincent Price is also sometimes mentioned due to his somewhat effeminate mannerisms and effete interests. His daughter, who is openly lesbian, said that if he ever had a gay affair then she never heard about it and he was certainly physical with women. (His daughter despised her stepmother Coral Browne who she basically said had Vincent p-whipped.) She said he was basically a 19th century European aristocrat who due to some kind of clerical screw-up was mistakenly born in the 20th century Midwest.
*The saying “Politics makes strange bedfellows” actually comes from around this time: it wasn’t uncommon for politicians or opposing attorneys in court trials to share beds while on the circuit. Herndon (one of the men who shared Speed and Lincoln’s bedroom) wrote several stories about Lincoln’s days on the circuit and the limited bedspace that saw lawyers sleeping on the floor and in barns when need be; one story he told was of a 300+ pound judge who farted a lot in his sleep and was so fat he had to ride a buggy and how the senior lawyers all knew to arrive as early as possible in the court city so as not to have to share a bed [preferably not even a room] with him.

**Very unlikely. Ever tried holding an erection while remaining perfectly still for 45 seconds until the flash goes off? It’s not easy. Trust me.

And speaking of Barbara Hutton: it’s common knowledge that she was once a billionaire in today’s currency and that because of her 7 husbands (or 6 if you exclude Grant) and generosity and flamboyant lifestyle and employees/relatives/lawyers/accountants/others robbing her blind died penniless.
She was a billionaire in 2009 USD at one point, and she definitely went through the vast majority (99%+) of her fortune, but broke is very relative. She didn’t die penniless (or with $3,500 as mentioned on Wikipedia). She was cash poor but she was in no danger of eviction from her hotel suite (she had paid its rent for life when she still had money) and she still owned real estate, art, jewelry, and other valuables that when liquidated and her debts were paid left an estate of over $1 million, which while broke for a billionaire is a net worth most of us would trade places with. (A fine distinction perhaps, but a distinction.)

Another “died broke” personality who did but didn’t was Hattie McDaniel; she was broke by choice. She had rarely lacked work and had in fact been under contract and in the early 1950s was starring on a hit TV series (Beulah) that brought her in a very high (for the times) income. When she was diagnosed with cancer she fought it but when it was obvious it was terminal she knew that she would require long term “hospice” type care, so she liquidated her estate, gave the lion’s share of it to relatives and friends, set aside some for medical bills, and once mostly penniless on paper she entered the Motion Picture House (a nursing home for actors) where she was cared for until she died. Her estate was around 10,000 when she died, which doesn't sound like much now but 1- was a lot more in 1952 and 2- was what was left after she'd liquidated her [house](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2331/2267872289_d6b658eb84.jpg) and property and paid her medical bills. (In her will she bequeathed her most recent ex-husband the amount of .01 if for any reason their divorce was not finalized.) It is true unfortunately that she was denied burial in her cemetery of choice and that her Oscar was stolen a few years after she died and is now lost.

Also, Harriet Tubman is often reported to have died in a home for indigent former slaves in Auburn NY, which is true but misleading. She certainly wasn’t wealthy (she had a pension of $8 from being the widow of a Union soldier- nothing for having led troops into battle or herself or having been a nurse and laundress) but that home for the indigent was actually the last half of her life’s work; she had bought it (at a bargain) from Secretary of State/admirer William Seward and spent years selling autographs and giving the occasional lecture and other things to gain funding to make it self sustaining. She died there by choice and with pride that she had done so much to help indigent aged former slaves. (Tubman was offered fortunes to go on lecture tours but turned them down; between her narcolepsy and her illiteracy she was extremely nervous about appearing in public.)

Very interesting. I stand corrected. After rummaging through what limited research there is (CDC seems to be one of the most recent studies), it does seem that while stretching may increase range of motion (through improved tolerance) it is inconclusive with respect to injury prevention and may in fact impede performance in some sports because it may produce what is essentially an early state of muscle fatigue.

So as you said before, for sports like ballet or martial arts where you need to improve ROM and stretch tolerance, it makes sense (and for rehab too), but much less so for endurance based sports like running. Huh, well waddaya know?

An Australian one is about the Sydney Harbour Bridge, typically couched that it takes so long to paint that by the time it’s finished, it requires painting again.

Which is denied here

That’s typically said of the Forth Rail Bridge as well, although that’s apparently not true either (unless you count government contractors never finishing a job).

And I’ve heard it said about the Mackinac Bridge, too. It’s even in the wiki. “Citation needed”, of course.

Apparently, the pavement on the street outside my house is so long it needs constant work, too. :smiley:

“Georgia was a penal colony”.

No. Or rather, not really- not like Botany Bay by any means.

One of the greatest problems Jamestown and other colonies had was a shortage of cheap labor. Oglethorpe, a Quaker, hated the notion of debtors prisons almost as much as he hated the notion of slavery and saw Georgia as a way to help attack both institutions. He banned slavery in the new colony (the only one ever to do so- wonder if it worked) and while his settlers were mostly free people he advertised a chance for debtors to start their life anew and pay off some or all of their bills by subsidizing their passage using money left from their indenture towards their creditors. In anticipation of the popularity of this Oglethorpe’s charter of Georgia was the first in the new world to ban slavery for all time.

Unfortunately most people in debtors prisons quite understandably, *weren’t jumping up and down for the chance to leave their family and everything they knew to go be a slave for 5-10 years in a new colony filled with mosquitoes and swamps and surrounded by Indians, so not many did. The majority of the colonists were free people with debtors prisoners accounting for only a small minority. Of those who did, some returned to England when their indenture was over, some died, some became respected citizens after their indenture, at least a couple hanged for killing the person they were indentured to, and most became members of the working class when they were free. Ultimately more Swiss and Germans came to Georgia than debtors.

Needless to say Oglethorpe’s ban on slavery didn’t last long, anymore than his ban on lawyers. Slavery was legalized in 1749 by which time it was a formality because there were already quite a few in the colony as many had been brought south from the Carolinas already.

So there was never really a Sexcriminalboat.

Would not go see. Even if they were Japanese.

Then there are the more serious “well-known facts”

  1. “No jews died in 9/11”
  2. “Atheism is a faith too”
  3. “The MMR vaccine can cause autism”

The whole premise doesn’t really make sense to me. If you have trouble painting a bridge in a timely manner, just hire more people, duh.

Passing by a group of teenagers, I heard someone relate the myth of Catherine the Great being ded of horse to an appreciative audience. Let no one say today’s youngsters lack an interest in history.

Well, in this case their were showing an interest in historical fiction, as it turns out. :wink: