Exactly what rights were taken away?
If it wasn’t a Christian banner, how could it be anti-Christian to take it down?
I will give you a pass on this one because it could be read as a comment on atheists and not just FinnAgain. But you’re treading close to the line here and I remind you again - you can’t insult other posters here. I just warned you for this last night.
Of all the posts you could have quoted to prop a righteous tssk-tssk bluenose prancing around to try and gain a false semblance of a moral high ground, *this *is the one you picked ?
Well, fuck me.
Which rights, specifically ? Quoth the Constitution and/or Bill of Rights, if you so please.
Shouldn’t it then follow that you have the right to ignore Teh Ghey in the midst of your congregation ? Surely being openly gay is not a creed for others to have buttsex.
Great, so I can come to the atheist campus group and proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ. You can’t discriminate now!
Yet, another atheist who must use profanity. And you are quite wrong:
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/proposed-law-would-force-churches-to-host-gay-weddings.html
I know in your dream world you want to see Christianity destroyed, but we still have the right to believe that homosexuality is a sin before God and it is unnatural just as you probably find incest sinful.
I just browsed through the thread. Let me make sure I understand it: Christians are being oppressed if they don’t have the ability to have pronouncements that support their religion posted at public facilities.
Sounds legit.
As an aside, the schadenfreude of this is overpowering. Seeing GEEPERS storm in and shriek about atheists and pratfall face-first into the turf is… well… lovely.
Is that a demonstration of your moral compass?
From your link.
When you offer a service to the public, you don’t get to pick and choose who you serve.
Of course you can if the group gets government funding. You’re finally starting to understand. Bravo!
Yes, and they would destroy your arguments just like it being done here. You lose because you don’t have the ability to argue your faith effectively. Not that anyone can, since it’s a bald assertion without any evidence to speak of.
What you aren’t understanding is that isn’t a church. It’s a hall owned by a church, that they rent.
You have the right to believe whatever you want. You don’t have the right to use public monies to endorse it.
Now you demonstrate the true Modus operandi of atheists who eagerly particular in these topics. Bravo.
OTOH, Christians don’t take pleasure in making fun of other people. That’s OUR moral compass.
Absolutely. My college atheists/humanists/agnostics organization (late 90s/early 00s) would regularly attract religious folks- whether to try and convert us, or just out of curiosity. They were all welcomed.
Dear boy, morality and stylistic choices, to whit fucking swearing when I find it funny or appropriate, have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with each other.
No, you take pleasure in condemning them.
GEEPERS, let me ask you something.
IF THE BANNER IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OF CHRISTIANITY, HOW CAN REMOVING IT BE AN ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS?
No, your moral compass is more aligned with persecution, persecution complexes and martyrdom. Your type get quite huffy when informed that you can’t persecute others.
You want people who don’t follow your religion to be forced to live by its rules. That’s evil.
Which is hardly surprising, since the God you personally advocate isn’t the nicest guy.
No, I’m pretty sure I can. This would be much easier if you understood how antidiscrimination laws work. Antidiscrimination laws do not say “Everyone must be allowed to join any group.” They say that some classes of people cannot be excluded for specific reasons.
Yes, you unquestionably have the right to believe that. You don’t have the right to exclude gays while receiving things like federal funding or school affiliation. If you get the government’s money, you have to follow its laws. If you are affiliated with and represent a university, you have to follow its rules. That’s not so hard to understand.
What I’m seeing here is the problem with public schools. The entire public school program has to fit in with all the objectives and constraints of the state, not with the more limited objectives of the local majorities of parents. Not really democratic.
To be fair, parents should be able to choose the school their children attend so no one needs to feel offended. Vouchers across the board for everyone. That includes madrassas and other faith based schools as long as they meet the standard state mandated curiculum.
It is all well to laud this brave atheist student, but many other people are getting offended by this oppression of the state.
You do not grok why profanity is used, it seems.
And the truly profane thing is endorsing disgusting bigotry and persecution of homosexuals, not using a word like “fuck” or “shit”.
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And I never claimed that the banner was a horrible great persecution.
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Other Geepers? Geepers would like to have a word with you. Geepers, evidently Other Geepers is calling bullshit on your claims. It seems you two have a fundamental disagreement.
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I claimed that it was disgusting to reward someone for taking away the rights of everyone else who enjoyed the banner.
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Taking away someone’s rights is persecuting them. Of course, as pointed out to you over and over and over again, nobody’s rights were violated. The Christians of the town can still, within zoning laws, erect any banners, billboards, murals, holograms, etc… that they want to on private property. They can also pray in school as long as they don’t disrupt class, and so on.
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It is a message, and no different than if I prayed aloud in a classroom.
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Wrong. The difference is private action versus official school endorsement of Christianity as its religion. You’ll also notice that your argument is bombastic bullshit; while the banner was taken down, correctly, nobody has been sued to stop them from praying non-disruptively.
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I find this an even more blatant violation of Christian rights. Digusting to say the least.
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Of course you’d find obeying the law and not using the government to endorse Christianity somehow a violation of Christian Rights To Force Their Religion On Everybody Else. Of course, there are no such rights and any fireman could move the cross to his own front yard and be perfectly fine. Or, ya know, move it to the front law of a church. Who’d a thunk it?
What’s disgusting is that not only are Christians the majority in the nation, with Presidents routinely being asked if they believe in Jesus as their personal savior, but if they’re forbidden from violating the law and using the government to advance their religion, they claim that they’re being persecuted.