Of course it does.
And you keep talking about “showering children with glass” as if modern automobile windows weren’t made of safety glass that breaks into completely harmless rounded beads. Maybe you should be asking yourself what lesson this man is teaching his kids by refusing to listen to the police and getting himself Tased in front of them.
No it is not.
Did you or did you not spend several pages crying about the “unlawful” and “racist” actions of the cops who non-violently detained Danielle Watts?
You keep talking about “obeying the law.” Not all laws are created equal. People who commit moving violations are not lawbreakers in a meaningful sense of the word. Nor is refusing to comply with police directives a meaningful use of the word lawbreakers.
I mean, I get what you’re saying, but when you define every human being with a driver’s license as a lawbreaker, then what’s the point of the term? If I hadn’t driven without my seat belt off, or without the burnt-out tail light then I would have nothing to fear? I brought the fear of the lawgivers on myself and I deserve whatever I get?
Likewise, not all police instructions require physically forced compliance, just because they come from the police. Asking a non-violent non-seat belt wearer to get out of his car is a command of pretty low importance. Police should ask themselves, “is smashing a window and tasing the passenger of non-criminal traffic-violators an effective way of maintaining a trusting relationship and the respect and support of the people who pay my salary?” I’m not saying that violence is never the answer, but just because the police want something doesn’t mean they have the right to tase me into compliance.
Landru protect us!
No it doesn’t.
They’re not “completely harmless”. You are wrong again.
These cops, like many others, unfortunately, are teaching many children that police officers are a danger to be feared, and that even non-violence will sometimes be met by violence from cops.
I never said “racist”, so you’re lying again. And their actions were violent. Not as violent as these (smashing windows, tasing, pistol whipping, punching), but still violent. Grabbing and handcuffing someone is violent.
To quote myself from a previous post in this very thread:
I don’t follow.
It’s a law, isn’t it? And they’re breaking it, are they not?
I do no such thing. Millions of Americans drive lawfully every day.
You would have no fear of being pulled over for driving with your seatbelt off or with a burned-out taillight.
More or less.
At the point where the passenger repeatedly refuses to get out of the car, shouts “I don’t know what’s going on!”, and generally acts disoriented and confused, then yes, it is.
It is not reasonable to expect the police to sit and wait for minutes or hours while more important business is occurring for one guy to decide he feels like cooperating with the law.
I don’t know which is more horrifying, the video or that there are those that aren’t horrified by it. Shodan and smapti would have made wonderful Nazis, that’s for sure.
Asked and answered. If it’s worth breaking a window, and risking injury to, as well as tasing, innocents, then it’s worth waiting for the friggin’ supervisor.
And please note that the whole incident started with just a seatbelt violation. Extenuating circumstance? Being Black.
(Are any here who are defending the cops, black?)
The lesson that any competent father would be teaching is that the police exist to ensure that the law is obeyed and to protect the innocent, and that you have nothing to fear from them if you’re not a bad guy.
Instead he decided to play dumb and teach his kids that he is a bad guy.
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Asked and answered. If it’s worth breaking a window, and risking injury to, as well as tasing, innocents, then it’s worth waiting for the friggin’ supervisor.
What “innocents”? The police didn’t Tase any innocents.
Which just goes to show how irrational the driver and passenger were in their response.
Cite?
I for one and I bet a majority would have no problem If the passenger were convicted of “refusing to exit”, but it’s sort of irrelevant. The question is, if you commit this crime, should you be tased?, and the answer should be “obviously not.”
Considering that you’re on record saying that you wouldn’t risk your life to save your daughter if she was drowning, you have less than zero credibility on what a “competent father” would do in any circumstance.
So after they broke the window, they should have removed him from the vehicle with… what? Harsh language?
Yes they did. They also showered glass on innocent children.
No, it shows how irrational the police were. The police should be there to “protect and serve”, not “enforce respect of their authoritah”.
No competent father would commit suicide and leave their children fatherless in a failed attempt to save one child when there exist professionals who are trained to do such a thing for a living.
But that’s irrelevant to this thread.
Teach a kid absolute authoritarianism? Yes, please!
Save a kid from drowning? Eh, why bother?
With patience.
So a woman who is on her way to the hospital where her mother is dying gets a ticket, has guns pointed at her and her children, has a window smashed, and sees her boyfriend get Tasered and arrested for just sitting there. That’s community-oriented policing!
Risking your life isn’t akin to committing suicide. You said you wouldn’t risk your life if your baby daughter fell into a river. That’s extreme cowardice, and extremely incompetent (and probably criminally incompetent) parenting. By not trying to save your daughter, you’re probably breaking the law.